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Spacecraft 'could surf gravitational tubes' to make solar travel more efficient
Telegraph UK ^ | 9-11-09 | Andy Bloxham

Posted on 09/11/2009 11:44:36 AM PDT by blueglass

Scientists in the US are trying to map the twisting "tubes" so they can be used to cut the cost of space travel.

Each one acts like a gravitational version of the Gulf Stream, created from the complex interplay of forces between planets and moons. Depicted by computer graphics, the pathways can look like strands of spaghetti that wrap around planetary bodies and snake between them.

The pathways connect sites called Lagrangian points where gravitational forces balance out.

Professor Shane Ross, from Virginia Tech university, said: "The idea is there are low energy pathways winding between planets and moons that would slash the amount of fuel needed to explore the solar system.

"These are freefall pathways in space around and between gravitational bodies. Instead of falling down, like you do on Earth, you fall

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: clementine; science; space; xplanets

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we lived in a world where our tax dollars were put into space exploration instead of midnight basketball, and acorn-style government programs to help set up child prostitution scemes? We'd still be taxed to death, but we'd have some really cool ships. I for one, call that a win-win.

1 posted on 09/11/2009 11:44:36 AM PDT by blueglass
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To: blueglass

STELLARVATORS?


2 posted on 09/11/2009 11:45:44 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: blueglass

It would be even more efficient to load the billions of dollars into an unmanned rocket and shoot the moon.


3 posted on 09/11/2009 11:58:32 AM PDT by muddler
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To: blueglass
We chose this:

And we got this instead:


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

4 posted on 09/11/2009 12:03:27 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

Yes, I’m convinced we’ll never get into space. There was a window of opportunity and we blew it. Mohahhmed is the 2nd most popular baby name in the UK. Winodw closed.


5 posted on 09/11/2009 12:05:43 PM PDT by blueglass
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To: blueglass

Is MIDNIGHT BASKETBALL still funded?

(silly question, maybe. As Ronald Reagain once brialliantly said: “The closest thing to eternal life is a government program”


6 posted on 09/11/2009 12:19:29 PM PDT by Mr. K (THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!!!!!)
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To: blueglass
Yes, I’m convinced we’ll never get into space. There was a window of opportunity and we blew it. Mohahhmed is the 2nd most popular baby name in the UK. Winodw closed.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a reverse-engineered saucer breakthrough. It's far more likely than the current global transnationalist tyranny dedicating tax money to actual exploration and expansion into space for the sake of individual human prosperity.


7 posted on 09/11/2009 12:29:24 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

Isn’t that the launch/lift system that shoots a laser up inside dome, causing the atmosphere within the dome to super-heat, expand, and provide thrust?

I saw a show on the original test-firings of that thing.
Pretty cool.


8 posted on 09/11/2009 12:52:02 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: The Comedian

I do not think Bobn Lazaar is a whack job (at least not about the UFO’s)

He has too much info- where the cafeteria inside grrom lake, where the bathrooms are. And his background is wiped clean - they say they cannot find anyone who went to college with him- but hey- I went to college with 100 other people 2 and I dont know if any of them would remember me...

He had to go to college somewhere- he certainly sounds like he has in depth engineering schooling. If his name was all over the place and he went somewhere ELSE then that would have been a quick way for somoene else from that school to discredit him.

His description of the gravity propulsion system and the mineral (238?) sounded very likely to be the only way to travel to the stars.


9 posted on 09/11/2009 1:21:00 PM PDT by Mr. K (THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!!!!!)
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To: Mr. K

geez I cannot proofread - sorry folks I am a bit dyslexic


10 posted on 09/11/2009 1:21:52 PM PDT by Mr. K (THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!!!!!)
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I think the Clementine was sent to the Moon using this technique, or a similar one, to choose its trajectory.
 
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11 posted on 09/11/2009 3:35:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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For other space news go to: http://www.spacetoday.net
12 posted on 09/11/2009 3:38:08 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Can't Stop the Signal!)
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To: blueglass

I’ve read of Lagrangian points before but I can’t remember for the life of me.


13 posted on 09/11/2009 4:28:16 PM PDT by wastedyears (The best aid we could ever give Africa would be thousands of rifles to throw out their own dictators)
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To: blueglass

“It’s gnarly, you know. We surf, like gravitational tooooooobs.”


14 posted on 09/11/2009 6:40:15 PM PDT by LiberConservative (OneBigAssMistakeAmerica)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Isn’t that the launch/lift system that shoots a laser up inside dome, causing the atmosphere within the dome to super-heat, expand, and provide thrust?

Actually no, it's Lazar's model of the anti-matter reactor he says he worked on at Groom Lake.

15 posted on 09/12/2009 8:18:10 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Isn’t that the launch/lift system that shoots a laser up inside dome, causing the atmosphere within the dome to super-heat, expand, and provide thrust?

Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute: Lightcraft Will Use Laser Power for Space Travel

16 posted on 09/12/2009 10:55:17 AM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: anymouse

That’s what I thought, but article is misleading.
It needs atmosphere, so the whole “space” travel thing won’t work.
It’s probably good for orbital and sub-orbital loads, provided you can get the velocities.


17 posted on 09/14/2009 7:21:57 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

Once it is out of the atmosphere (and moving much faster), other high-ISP/low mass propulsion can be used (like electronic plasma jet) to travel outside the atmosphere. The toughest propulsion task is from the surface to the upper atmosphere, so this fills the bill, but keeping most of the propulsion mass on the ground.


18 posted on 09/14/2009 1:15:17 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: anymouse

I look at this as a means to assist a lift to orbit.
As such, I don’t think any low mass propulsion could take over to finish the job if a satellite is attached. I was thinking of a second stage or positioning rocket.

Either way, the demonstrations were pretty cool.
Especially the noises that thing made going up.


19 posted on 09/15/2009 8:10:25 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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