House of Numbers is quietly explosive (new movie shows how AIDS story falls apart under questioning)

Science Guardian ^ | September 2009

[GodGunsGuts]

Remarkable movie shows how AIDS story falls apart under questioning

Leading luminaries confess flaws, confirming critics’ concerns

Clarity and entertainment value may gain wide audience for documentary

But John Moore and his goons are on the job to sink it if possible...

[GodGunsGuts]

Ping!

[GodGunsGuts]

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All the best--GGG

[metmom]

IBT *you’re a science hater* types.....

[parsifal]

Interesting article. I went on web afterwards and found this:

http://www.avert.org/evidence.htm

Who knows.

parsy, who thankfully loves his guitar and is scared of women.

[GodGunsGuts]

As the top officials of the AIDS Establishment have been admitting left and right these days, they never had a clue. Whereas the predictions of the AIDS Rethinkers have been spot-on for nearly two decades.

[parsifal]

I don’t know. I do wonder how come half the San Francisco Gay Choir all died so fast back in the 80’s. Don’t think it was all hitting a high “C” in Santa Lucia.

parsy, who don’t aim to find out

[GodGunsGuts]

They died from taking massive amounts of drugs, over a long period of time, to facilitate their “fast-lane” homosexual lifestyle. Then, instead of treating their individual diseases and telling the fast-laners to clean up their filthy drug-induced lifestyles, they put them on AIDS chemotherapy instead, which simply killed them faster. What really chaps my hide is that they put symptom-free heteros on these same chemo drugs, to include pregnant mothers and newborn babies. See my profile page for more—GGG

[parsifal]

Yes, but your average “straight” meth user ain’t keeling over from AIDS. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume it is something other than just the drugs, whether its the HIV virus or not.

And, the gay filthy drug users probably ain’t going to stop. They copulate like fiends anyway, without protection, knowing full well the risks they take. It’s what they do.

parsy, who can’t pretend to understand it all

[Fractal Trader]

reasonable to assume it is something other than just the drugs

The toxic effect of the drugs only causes "AIDS" when mixed with the sewer flow of bodily fluids which cause opportunistic infections.

[GodGunsGuts]

Are you sure about that?

Crack cocaine, disease progression, and mortality in a multicenter cohort of HIV-1 positive women

This should be of interest as well:

Chronology of diseases and death from illicit recreational drug us in the US (1,2,3)

Drug	Event	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994
cocaine	death hospital	-- 80,355	2,938 101,189	3,285 119,843	3,633 123,423	3,687 142,878
amphetamines	death hospital	-- 8,800	252 7,363	334 10,615	566 15,630	751 17,665
heroin	death hospital	-- 33,884	2,260 35,898	2,782 48,003	3,558 63,232	3,522 64,013
all drugs	death hospital	-- 371,208	6,246 393,968	6,870 433,493	7,602 460,910	8,541 518,521
1. Office of National Drug Control Policy. Drugs & Crime Data. Drugs & Crime Clearinghouse 1996; July 1996. 2. U.S. Department of Health & Human Services. Annual emergency department data 1993. Data from the Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) 1993; 81-110. 3. U.S. Department of Health & Human Services. Annual Medical Examiner data. Data from the Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) 1994; 1-82, 1994.

Drug diseases diagnosed before the AIDS era, and in HIV-free addicts (C = Cocaine, A = Amphetamines, H = Heroim, N = Nitrites)

Disease	Drugs used (1)	References	AIDS defining
immunodeficiency	C, H, N, A	(Achard et al., 1909; Terry and Pellens, 1928; Briggs et al., 1967; Sapira, 1968; Harris and Garret, 1972; Geller and Stimmel, 1973; Pillari and Narus, 1973; Brown et al., 1974; Louria, 1974; McDonough et al., 1980; Gottlieb et al., 1981; Jaffe et al., 1983; Tubaro et al., 1983; Layon et al., 1984; Culver et al., 1987; Donahoe et al., 1987; Haverkos and Dougherty, 1988b; Selwyn et al., 1988; Novick et al., 1989; Mientjes et al., 1991; Pillai et al., 1991; Larrat and Zierler, 1993; Mientjes et al., 1993; Sadownick, 1994; Brettle, 1996)	YES
Kaposi’s sarcoma	N	(Jaffe et al., 1983; Haverkos et al., 1985; Haverkos, 1988; Haverkos and Dougherty, 1988a; Archer et al., 1989; Friedman-Kien et al., 1990; Marquart et al., 1991)	YES
candidiasis	C, H	(Pillari and Narus, 1973; Stoneburner et al., 1988; Rogers et al., 1989)	YES
pneumonia	C, H, N	(Gottlieb et al., 1981; Jaffe et al., 1983; Selwyn et al., 1988; Stoneburner et al., 1988; Ettinger and Albin, 1989; Mientjes et al., 1993; Hayes et al., 1994; Brettle, 1996)	YES
lymphadenopathy	C, H	(Geller and Stimmel, 1973; Pillari and Narus, 1973; Espinoza et al., 1987; Des Jarlais et al., 1988; Brettle, 1996)	YES
tuberculosis	C, H	(Firooznia et al., 1973; Courtwright, 1982; Layon et al., 1984; Stoneburner et al., 1988; Braun et al., 1989; Brudney and Dobkin, 1991; Hayes et al., 1994)	YES
weight loss	C, H	(Pillari and Narus, 1973; Des Jarlais et al., 1988; Brettle, 1996)	YES
dementia/ encephalopathy	C, H	(Stoneburner et al., 1988; Koch, 1990; Aylward et al., 1992; Larrat and Zierler, 1993; Hayes et al., 1994; Brettle, 1996)	YES
diarrhea	C, H	(Des Jarlais et al., 1988; Muñoz et al., 1992; Brettle, 1996)	YES
fever	C, H	(Des Jarlais et al., 1988; Ettinger and Albin, 1989; Brettle, 1996)	YES
spontaneous abortion, premature birth, congenital abnormalities	C, H	(Fricker and Segal, 1978; Lifschitz et al., 1983; Alroomi et al., 1988; Rogers et al., 1989; Toufexis, 1991; Finnegan et al., 1992; Larrat and Zierler, 1993)	YES
night sweats	C, H	(Des Jarlais et al., 1988; Brettle, 1996)
impotence	C, H	(Larrat and Zierler, 1993; Brettle, 1996)
severe atherosclerosis	A	(Wilson et al., 1996)
tooth loss/caries	C, H	(Pillari and Narus, 1973)
dermatitis	C, H	(Pillari and Narus, 1973; Brettle, 1996)
hepatitis	C, H	(Dismukes et al., 1968; Pillari and Narus, 1973; Layon et al., 1984)
epileptic seizures	C, H	(Brettle, 1996)
endocarditis	C, H	(Layon et al., 1984; Stoneburner et al., 1988; Mientjes et al., 1993; Brettle, 1996)
bronchitis	C, H	(Ettinger and Albin, 1989; Lerner, 1989; Brettle, 1996)
1. A, amphetamines; C, cocaine; H, heroin; N, nitrites.

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[GodGunsGuts]

Thought you might find this of interest as well:

Drug use by homosexuals with AIDS and at risk for AIDS (1)

DRUGS	Atlanta (1) 1983: 50 AIDS, 120 at risk	San Francisco (2) 1987: 492 at risk	San Francisco (3) 1990: 182 AIDS	Chicago (4) 1993: 5000 at risk	San Francisco (5) 1993: 215 AIDS*	Vancouver (6) 1993: 136 AIDS	USA, Europe, Australia (7) 1994: AIDS	London/ Manchester (8) 1996: 685 at risk
nitrite inhalants	96%	82%	79%	71-100%	100%	98%	50% **	80%
ethylchloride	35-50			18
cocaine	50-60	84	69	40-66	yes	yes	12-34	40
amphetamines	50-70	64	55	26-46	yes	yes	6-27	48 ecstasy 57 speed
phenylcyclidine	40	22	23	yes
LSD	40-60		49	yes				48
metaqualone	40-60	51	44
barbiturates	25	41	30	yes
marijuana	90		85	88			41-68	76
heroin	10	20	3	yes				25
alcohol			46	95			90	95
cigarettes			33	yes			50	58
AZT					most	most	15-64
drug free	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
* See section 7.    ** 6 month reported use
1) Jaffe, H. W., Choi, K., Thomas, P. A., Haverkos, H. W., Auerbach, D. M., Guinan, M. E., Rogers, M. F., Spira, T. J., Darrow, W. W., Kramer, M. A., Friedman, S. M., Monroe, J. M., Friedman-Kien, A. E., Laubenstein, L. J., Marmor, M., Safai, B., Dritz, S. K., Crispi, S. J., Fannin, S. L., Orkwis, J. P., Kelter, A., Rushing, W. R., Thacker, S. B. and Curran, J. W. (1983) National case-control study of Kaposi's sarcoma and Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia in homosexual men: Part 1, Epidemiologic results. Ann. Intern. Med. 99: 145-151. 2) Darrow, W. W., Echenberg, D. F., Jaffe, H. W., O'Malley, P. M., Byers, R. H., Getchell, J. P. and Curran, J. W. (1987) Risk factors for human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infections in homosexual men. Am. J. Publ. Health 77: 479-483. 3) Lifson, A. R., Darrow, W. W., Hessol, N. A., O'Malley, P. M., Barnhart, J. L., Jaffe, H. W. and Rutherford, G. W. (1990) Kaposi's sarcoma in a cohort of homosexual and bisexual men: epidemiology and analysis for cofactors. Am. J. Epidemiol. 131: 221-231. 4) Kaslow RA, Blackwelder WC, Ostrow DG, Yerg D, Palenicek J, Coulson AH, Valdiserri RO. No evidence for a role of alcohol or other psychoactive drugs in accelerating immunodeficiency in HIV-1-positive individuals. J Am Med Assoc 1989; 261: 3424-3429; Ostrow DG, Beltran ED, Joseph JG, DiFranceisco W, Wesch J, Chmiel JS. Recreational drugs and sexual behavior in the Chicago MACS/CCS cohort of homosexually active men. Journal of Substance Abuse 1993; 5: 311-325; Ostrow, D. G., Van Raden, M. J., Fox, R., Kingsley, L. A., Dudley, J., Kaslow, R. A. and the Multicenter AIDS Cohort Study (MACS) (1990) Recreational drug use and sexual behavior change in a cohort of homosexual men. AIDS 4: 759-765. 5) Ascher, M. S., Sheppard, H. W., Winkelstein Jr, W. and Vittinghoff, E. (1993) Does drug use cause AIDS? Nature (London) 362: 103-104. Ellison, B. J., Downey, A. B. and Duesberg, P. H. (1996) HIV as a surrogate marker for drug-use: a re-analysis of the San Francisco Men's Health Study. In: AIDS: virus- or drug induced?, pp. 97-104, Duesberg, P. H. (ed.) Kluwer Academic Publishers, Dordrecht, The Netherlands. 6) Schechter, M. T., Craib, K. J. P., Gelmon, K. A., Montaner, J. S. G., Le, T. N. and O'Shaughnessy, M. V. (1993) HIV-1 and the aetiology of AIDS. Lancet 341: 658-659. Craddock, M. (1996) A critical appraisal of the Vancouver men's study; does it refute the drugs/AIDS hypothesis? In: AIDS: virus or drug-induced, pp. 105-110, Duesberg, P. H. (ed.) Kluwer Academic Publishers, Dordrecht, Netherland. 7) Veugelers PJ, Page KA, Tindall B, Schechter MT, Moss AR, Winkelstein WW, Cooper DA, Craib KJP, Charlebois E, Coutinho RA, Van Griensven GJP. Determinants of HIV disease progression among homsexual men registered in the tricontinental seroconverter study. American Journal of Epidemiology 1994; 140: 747-758. 8) Gibbons, J. (1996) Drugs & Us. Gay Times (London) September, p17-37.

[parsifal]

Not sure what these charts show. Where is the AIDS epidemic among hetero-sexual drug users?

parsy, who thinks this is a fair question

[GodGunsGuts]

They show that the number of drug hospitalizations and deaths paralleled the steep rise in the number of AIDS cases for over a decade, and that they peeked at roughly the same time, whereas the number of HIV-positives remained flat-lined the whole time. It also shows that the long-term use of various drugs, from cocaine to heroine to amphetamines to nitrites are known to cause AIDS defining illnesses all by themselves. And finally, the charts show that virtually all homosexual AIDS cases admitted to using a smorgasbord of those very same drugs.

PS Did you happen to read the conclusion of the abstract I sent you re: crack cocaine, disease progression, and mortality among women? Here it is, in case you missed it:

"CONCLUSION: Use of crack cocaine independently predicts AIDS-related mortality, immunologic and virologic markers of HIV-1 disease progression, and development of AIDS-defining illnesses among women."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18580615?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

[GodGunsGuts]

PSS If you want to get up to speed on this important issue, you might want to watch the video and read the layman’s articles on my profile page. If you are still interested after that, drop me a PM or a Ping and I’ll send you some excellent (and fairly east to understand) science papers on the same.

[parsifal]

It’s not something I am super interested in. Just a minor curiosity. You might enjoy this link.

http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/AF7D0E6F-7FD6-42F4-B17E-C8B4B6E3CE0C.asp

parsy, who did a google

[GodGunsGuts]

Oh, I get it. You are one of those AIDS alarmists who likes to pretend that you want specific answers to your AIDS questions, but in reality you only feign interest to string the other person along. All your links from the homosexual lobby should have been a dead giveaway. My bad.

[parsifal]

Where did that come from? I read your article. I found it interesting. I read your next link. I did a google and learned that there is a link between AIDS and drug use, particularly crack cocaine. I sent you back what I googled. I am not overly concerned with AIDS because I doubt I will ever get it. I am straight and do not inject drugs.

Whether what I linked were from homo lobby, I do not know. I just googled and found them. It seems a stretch to put the whole epidemic down to drug use. The one link you gave about women, in the link it said all the ones already had HIV when they entered the test or theorize they got sloppy and had sex for drugs and were not careful.

In a general way, yes I think drugs are bad for you and will probably affect your immune system.

parsy, who fails to see why you are so heated up

[GodGunsGuts]

Have you read this yet? Seems to be right up your alley:

Parsifal and homosexuality: a study of the reception of Parsifal as a homoerotic text

[parsifal]

Gee, I hate to show up at a party without a gift:

So, for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexuality

parsy, the charitable