SUPPOSED GREEK AND HEBREW RESEMBLANCES OF ANCIENT HAWAIIANS

books.google.com ^ | April 1866 | MANLEY HOPKINS

[Nikas777]

WITH A PUEFACE BY THE BISHOP OF OXFORD.

' And the august abode from whence they came.'

Speculations as to an Eastern emigration are scarcely more than glanced at here; and it may appear almost superfluous to refer to two groundless hypotheses which have been formed—the first, that Greek remains have been discovered in South America, and that faint vestiges of Greece are also traceable in the islands of Hawaii. The other supposition is that of the Hawaiian race being of Hebrew origin, and that these islanders represent the lost tribes of the house of Israel.

[RegulatorCountry]

I’ve seen a “genealogy” of my own paternal line, going back from England, to Wales, to Ireland, to Milesia/Spain, to Scythia and eventually to Japheth, son of Noah.

These things were quite fashionable at one time.

It’d be great to have my line firmly established that far, lol, or even beyond the 1400’s, but the plague years really wrecked record keeping, and people were forced to move around, uncharacteristic for the time.

All I have from before then, is the earliest known recorded instance of the surname, from the presumed progenitor, found in the Templar Inquisition of 1185.

[mnehring]

I thought the Lemba where one of the better connections once Genetic testing was done? The Lemba and the Ethiopians (the latter is better documented in the Apocrypha) as having the closest ancient Hebrew connections outside of Israel.

http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/african-lemba-tribe

...The genetic material was analyzed for the genetic markers that have been found in the Jews. Similar to the general Jewish population, the Cohen Modal Haplotype was found in nearly 10% of all Lemba men. In addition, the Cohen Modal Haplotype was found in nearly half of the men in the Buba tribe...

[Charles Henrickson]

WITH A PUEFACE . . .

POIFACE?

[Nikas777]

Awesome info - I will look that up.

[Nikas777]

What I read is that geneticists don’t think there is a the Cohen Modal Haplotype but I lack the info to add more to this. I of course could be remembering this all wrong. I will google what I can and see if my memory is correct.

[Nikas777]

One source of early confusion was a widespread popular notion that only Cohens or only Jews could have the Cohen Modal Haplotype. It is now clear that this is not the case. The Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), whilst notably frequent amongst Cohens, is also far from unusual in the general populations of haplogroups J1 and J2 with no particular link to the Cohen ancestry. These haplogroups occur widely throughout the Middle East and beyond [8],[9]. So whilst many Cohens have haplotypes close to the CMH, a greater number of such haplotypes worldwide belong to people with no likely Cohen connection at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron#Responses

[RegulatorCountry]

POIFACE

LOL! Pieface, poiface, same thing, with the colorful NC "Hoid Coonty" (Hyde County) "hoi toide" (high tide) accent. They're oot and aboot just like a Canadian, lol.

[JewishRighter]

Here is proof of the thesis:

Yes, that is the Pineappler Rebbe.

[mikrofon]

Not to mention the well-known song: “Aloha Oy Vey”

[Sherman Logan]

FWIW, the latest evidences actually suggest the Polynesians may have migrated east FROM the western coast of the Americas.

Not really. That theory was popular back in the 30s and 40s, popularized by Thor Heyerdahl.

There are some intriguing issues that indicate some contact, but my understanding is that both genetic and linguistic studies point pretty clearly to Taiwan as the "original" home of the people who became the Polynesians.

If you have other references, I'd be interested in seeing them.

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Abraham Fornander

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[wildbill]

Well there you are. Anything on Magnum about Hawaii is enough for me.

[wildbill]

Or maybe the ancient Cohens simply got around to more households than were Jewish.

Know what I mean? *nudge, nudge,wink wink*

[Tax-chick]

One of my college friends was from Hawaii. The show cracked her up.

[Nikas777]

Was the Magnum episode about Greeks in Hawaii or Hebrews in Hawaii or both?

[Nikas777]

To get serious - I think there are certain genes that get triggered because of environmental conditions. For example populations that live in malarial zones show the same genetic sequence which made many racists say that proved Greeks and Italians were linked to Sub Saharan Africans because they also show this genetic marker. But this was not an inherited marker and was triggered by the environment. That is as best as my limited understanding can describe.

But because of bad science and religion we have a people - the Lemba now forever linked to the lost tribe of Israel.

[x]

This may have been the father of the poet Gerard Manley Hopkins. The elder Manley Hopkins was Hawaii's Consul-General in London.

It would probably have been better for Gerard, though not for poetry, if the family had actually lived in Hawaii, rather than London.

[Nikas777]

I think you are correct.

[wildbill]

Wasn’t there a TV documentary on the Lemba where they were trying to prove or disprove the Lemba ‘cultural memory’ of a connection with the Jews in their history.

I thought the show said the DNA showed their was some similarity in the DNA gene sequence. A random and rogue gene might not mean anything—but combine it with an oral history passed down from generation to generation over a thusand years or so and it makes me think there is something there.

People who are steeped in our modern written histories often deride these old cultural myths and legends passed down in an oral tradition, but remember the Hawaiian oral traditions about the sailing exploits of their ancestors from Tahiti turned out to be correct as I recall.