Madonna booed in Bucharest for defending Gypsies

Yahoo ^ | 08/27/09

[TomOnTheRun]

America is the only place still using the bogus classification “caucasian” for white people.

It makes me feel quaintly old-fashioned in an Apartheid sort of way when I mention "caucasians" over seas. *grin* What's the deal with "non-white hispanics" as well? Why do we need to separate them?

[kabar]

What countries and where were you attacked?

Re Madonna: It is the height of arrogance to lecture her audience who didn't come to listen to her moralizing but to hear her sing. And like so many of these Hollywood airheads, she has no idea what she is talking about.

[a fool in paradise]

For that matter, why should American “European” Hispanics (of Spanish heritage) get preferential treatment over other Americans of European ancestry?

[FoxPro]

There are eyes/cameras everywhere in the casinos in Vegas.

Actually, the pit bosses love these girls at the tables. They dress provocatively and flirt with the guys, all night long. It keeps conventioneers playing longer. The girls and the casinos are basically doing the same thing, extracting money from tourists. It took me a while to figure this out.

[TomOnTheRun]

What countries and where were you attacked?

Rome - but that was a joke of sorts. It was after an important game of footie. To the rest of your question ... I've lived in Mexico, Canada, America, Morroco, Italy, France.

Re Madonna: It is the height of arrogance to lecture her audience who didn't come to listen to her moralizing but to hear her sing. And like so many of these Hollywood airheads, she has no idea what she is talking about.

Buying a ticket to see a pop performer is not like buying a ticket to the opera or symphony with a registered program of what will be performed and what will be said. "You takes your chances" as the saying goes. Pop performances are about the performer as much as the music. If you don't want the extras you should stick to CDs.

[RushCrush]

“The group says Roma face “overt discrimination” in housing, health care and education.”

In Slovakia many gypsies get free apartments from the city council which they usually trash and have an “open toilet” in one corner of the room, they get free health care and education yet too often they fail to send their kids to school instead they send their kids to beg and steal on the streets. So where is the “overt discrimination?’

[Mamzelle]

re: More Roma were killed by percentage of ethnic group by the Nazis than Jews. )))

Madonna will discover that this culture is unfathomable, impenetrable, because it has at its heart a celebration of the virtue of swindling the "Gaijo". It's not immoral to them any more than hunting for meat is immoral to us. And Gypsies are rarely violent in their predations.

A Gypsy might well find these words that offend you to be complementary, if they cared at all for the expressed opinions. They are not a grievance group for the simple reason that you are "unclean" to them and they would not delve into the kind of community organizing that would be necessary to make them a grievance group.

[davisfh]

I know nothing about European Gypsies, but when I was growing up in a small U.S. town and anyone spotted Gypsies entering town, the word went out instantly. All the businesses and homes locked their doors and Gypsies were not allowed to enter. They had a reputation (and well deserved) as being artful thieves. Simply put, they sustained themselves through theft.

[wolfcreek]

Weren’t the Gypsies in this country conmen/Grifters.

Aren’t they the ones who come to ask if I want my driveway *oiled* down?

I can’t stand those guys.

[TomOnTheRun]

For that matter, why should American “European” Hispanics (of Spanish heritage) get preferential treatment over other Americans of European ancestry?

Wait .. I'm not sure I get this... so ... if you are hispanic and they ask you what type you get the choices of:

1. hispanic (european)
2. hispanic (white)
3. hispanic (non-white)

If I *am* understanding that correctly then what do they do about non-white hispanics from europe?

[Mamzelle]

Traveler, I think, not Roma.

[hosepipe]

Why would eastern URPeans be biassed against pick pockets and thieves.. and scammers.. WHY?

[TomOnTheRun]

Madonna will discover that this culture is unfathomable, impenetrable, because it has at its heart a celebration of the virtue of swindling the "Gaijo". It's not immoral to them any more than hunting for meat is immoral to us. And Gypsies are rarely violent in their predations.

Or maybe it could be said like this:
People will discover that this culture is unfathomable, impenetrable, because it has at its heart a celebration of the virtue of swindling the "Gentile". It's not immoral to them any more than hunting for meat is immoral to us. And Jews are rarely violent in their predations.

No.... hmmm ... I think that went out of fashion a while back as well... Even though you can find the exact same libel said about lots of other groups ...

[Mamzelle]

LOL...Judaism is not impenetrable.

Tell me, what is your favorite Gypsy cuisine? Stories? Poetry? What do they like to name their pet cats?

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

It’s not prejudice. It’s admitting that they steal and swindle for a living.

[Sherman Logan]

Truth is generally considered a legal defense against a claim of libel.

So to the extent these charges are true they cannot be libelous.

Or, to put it another way, if you want to have the charges accepted as libelous you need to show why they are untrue.

[FoxPro]

Traveler, I think, not Roma.

Well she spoke Romani fluently.
I was known as the "gaguo". Or "the one not of our tribe". lol

She was a blast, very intelligent and street smart.

Gosh I miss her.

[Mamzelle]

Well, then, I’m wrong. Not much Rom (or even Romanian) spoken among the Irish “Gyspsies” here in the south. The fair coloring threw me off.

[TomOnTheRun]

My understanding is that -most- Romni consider cats particularly unclean because they lick their paws after burying their waste. They seemed kind to animals in general though. I barely had language overlap with them so I didn't pick up up any songs or stories but I liked the Lautari musicians that I heard. (I may have grossly misspelled that.)

How about this instead .. somebody could provide some sound reasons why antiziganism should be more tolerable than antisemitism.

[kabar]

Rome - but that was a joke of sorts. It was after an important game of footie. To the rest of your question ... I've lived in Mexico, Canada, America, Morroco, Italy, France.

Oddly enough, I was attacked in Rome by a band of gypsy children. It is common for them to surround someone and then start trying to steal your wallet, watch, handbag, etc, and then scatter with the loot. They hang out at trains stations, bus stations, etc. all over Europe employing the same technique. I have lived in Italy, Germany, Greece, Poland, and Finland. Except for Finland, there are varying numbers of gypsies, most of whom are involved in crime of one sort or another. They are coming mainly from Eastern Europe.

The east bloc's five million Roma received generous state subsidies under communism; however the transition to democracy that began in the late 1980s has not been kind to them. As the work force has lost its guaranteed employment, they have been among the first fired. For example, in Hungary, where Roma make up an estimated 8 to 10 percent of the population, their unemployment now tops 80 percent; the national unemployment average is 7.7 percent.

In the Czech Republic the picture is similar: the country's 300,000 Roma, about 2.5 percent of the country's population, have a 70 percent unemployment rate. They also have significantly higher crime rates than the non-Roma population, and few finish high school.

Buying a ticket to see a pop performer is not like buying a ticket to the opera or symphony with a registered program of what will be performed and what will be said. "You takes your chances" as the saying goes. Pop performances are about the performer as much as the music. If you don't want the extras you should stick to CDs.

And so do the performers. I saw the video and Madonna was pissed that the audience booed her. LOL. So it works both ways. She shouldn't be surprised by the reaction. I walked out of a Duran Duran performance, along with some others after they started their antiwar tirade against Bush and our involvement in Iraq. I won't ever go to one of their performances again.