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1 posted on 08/18/2009 10:37:09 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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I am not sure how he would ever be able to prove this.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 10:39:37 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: LibWhacker

Yeah. So how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?


3 posted on 08/18/2009 10:40:54 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: LibWhacker

My head hurts now....


4 posted on 08/18/2009 10:41:03 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: LibWhacker
The Invariant Set Postulate differentiates between reality and unreality, suggesting the existence of a state space, within which a smaller subset of state space (reality) is embedded.

The “statists” need a space where the laws of physics, and the laws of economics do not apply. Let’s hope they all move there. I think it is near Berkley.

5 posted on 08/18/2009 10:41:41 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl

Ping....


6 posted on 08/18/2009 10:42:54 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: LibWhacker

Proof is left as an exercise to the reader.


7 posted on 08/18/2009 10:45:47 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: LibWhacker

I was just about to write all that stuff myself, but I went and made myself a sandwich instead.

Darn.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 10:47:51 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON!!!")
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To: LibWhacker
Wow... It appears that the prophets Parker and Stone have hit one out of the park again with the South Park episode "Imanginationland."

This is also sort of in-line with the concept behind Heinlein's "Number of the Beast," as well as uncounted stoner discussions about the nature of the universe.

Mark

11 posted on 08/18/2009 10:48:47 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: LibWhacker

me not understand


12 posted on 08/18/2009 10:51:52 AM PDT by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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To: LibWhacker; Salamander

They’re just coming up with this new law now to shift the debate from Obamacare. The physicists are all pinko/commie/libs.


14 posted on 08/18/2009 10:53:24 AM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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bkmrk


15 posted on 08/18/2009 11:01:36 AM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: LibWhacker

That’s unreal!

That’s my superposition and I’m sticking to it!


21 posted on 08/18/2009 11:09:55 AM PDT by DannyTN
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[blink] Ok. It took them that long to figure this out? I thought it was pretty obvious.

No, I’m not kidding. I’ve been waiting for quantum computers to get up to mediocre enough performance to actually implement this idea for solving NP-type problems: define a problem space, overlap all possible solution spaces, force the selection of valid states until all others inherently collapse to a single completely valid solution. Porting PROLOG to a quantum computer will yield extremely cool results.


22 posted on 08/18/2009 11:11:05 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Your opinion is doubleplusungoodthinkful. You have been reported to flag@whitehouse.gov.)
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To: LibWhacker
Me not know about Invariant Set Postulate...


25 posted on 08/18/2009 11:16:52 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Extreme right-winged mob terrorist astroturfing bitter clinging racist birther evilmongering wingnut)
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I wish I would have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I could sure use Michio Kaku to break this one down for me.
29 posted on 08/18/2009 11:21:08 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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Unless a great deal has been lost in the translation to lay-speak, this doesn't really seem to explain much of anything; nor is it a falsifiable theory, so it is not really science, simply an alternative metaphysical perspective.

Take the cat paradox: contrary to many nonsensical interpretations, QM doesn't really require the cat to be in a superposition of live and dead states until an observer shows up. What it requires is the existence of an Hermitian operator, in this case a life operator, and the application of the life operator to the cat's state vector in order to do a measurement. Presumably, the cat herself has access to this operator (she knows if she is alive or dead.)

In this allegedly new formulation, the cat was always alive in the Invariant Set. Or... she was always dead in the Invariant Set. The application of the life operator then takes a measurement, which reveals her to be alive (or dead, as the case may be.). This is pretty much the same as Tipler's perspective, it is not new and it is not really particularly interesting. It still does NOT answer the question: "If I perform this experiment on 1000 identical cats with 1000 identical experimtental setups, why do 667 cats wind up dead and 333 of the cats wind up alive?"

The Invariant Set answer appears to be: because the 667 dead cats were part of actual reality, just as the 333 live cats were part of actual reality.

Just so. But why?

30 posted on 08/18/2009 11:22:16 AM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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These are only words - the math behind them must be awesome.

But if I can dig one implication out of them (highly debatable by itself) it concerns the cat that Shroedinger never really was entirely happy he used for an illustration, and it is this: the cat is perfectly aware whether it is dead or alive, hence has collapsed the wave function from its point of view. It is only uncertain from the point of view of the observer. So any mathematical representation of this that is intended to consider whether it is in some invariate state space must account for both points of view and two different levels of uncertainty.

Somebody who actually does know this stuff - and I know perfectly well you're on FR - just tell me "Bill, yer fulla crap" and I'll shut up... ;-)

32 posted on 08/18/2009 11:25:51 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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I had a class in college where the textbook read something like this from cover to cover. I realized that I had reached (over-reached?) the limits of my mathematical skills, and made a slight adjustment in my major.

I can STILL feel the relief, baby!!!!!!

33 posted on 08/18/2009 11:27:58 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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Perhaps this will explain why fresh bread gets hard but crispy cereal gets soggy! Could it be that cereal is embedded in a smaller subset of state space (the cabinet)whereas the bread is on the counter?


36 posted on 08/18/2009 11:36:29 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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and he is now one of the world’s experts on the predictability of climate

So does he perform as a clown at science conferences?

37 posted on 08/18/2009 11:38:21 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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