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Connecticut Hotel Blames Victim for Rape (Mariott)
AP/AOL ^ | August 14, 2009

Posted on 08/15/2009 8:08:41 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

A Connecticut hotel where a woman was raped at gunpoint in front of her children says the victim was careless and negligent.

The papers filed last month in Superior Court by the Stamford Marriott Hotel & Spa say the victim "failed to exercise due care for her own safety and the safety of her children and proper use of her senses and facilities."

Prosecutors say Gary Fricker assaulted the woman in her minivan in the hotel's parking garage in front of her two children, then ages 3 and 5.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: blamethevictim; culture; hotel; mariott; rape; society
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To: oldvike
You know what, I don't have an opinion on this one anymore. Even the article in post 6 gives spotty details. She says the guy was lurking around the hotel for several days and the hotel says they had no idea. How did she know he was lurking around there? If he WAS lurking, how would the hotel not know?

One more thing, I think it's pretty crappy of the hotel to supoena (sp?) a bunch of her friends who had no knowledge of this crime. That is downright dirty.

21 posted on 08/15/2009 8:27:33 AM PDT by oldvike
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To: Callahan

Don’t you have insurance that protects you if someone gets injured on your property?


22 posted on 08/15/2009 8:27:37 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Callahan
Easy, they blamed the victim and held her responsible. They allowed some filthy bum to loiter and go make trouble. These hotels usually have security cameras and they failed to prevent it. they are responsible for what goes on.

I remember a similar event happened at an Albertsons in California. The victim was assaulted by some homeless nutjob, the manager blamed him for it and even prevented him from calling 911. The criminal was even allowed to go free.

23 posted on 08/15/2009 8:32:18 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: oldvike
The hotel also subpoenaed several people involved with the family, including a Pilates instructor, friends, tennis partners and the children's baby sitter

Totally vindictive, IMO! They are out to trash her - why do they feel the need to do that if the hotel is claiming they aren't responsible.
24 posted on 08/15/2009 8:32:25 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: retrokitten

I think her attorney has it pegged. They’re trying to embarrass and humiliate her so she’ll just drop the suit.


25 posted on 08/15/2009 8:37:25 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: presently no screen name
why do they feel the need to do that if the hotel is claiming they aren't responsible.

Have you been paying attention the last 20 years? Judges and juries have been handing out billion dollar judgments like they are candy.

Some judge will say that the hotel knew or should have known and the Marriott will owe this woman millions of dollars.

The hotel owes it to their share holders to fight vigorously.

26 posted on 08/15/2009 8:42:14 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: all the best
My initial reaction was that this was a horrible crime but not the fault of the hotel, however, after reading that the guy had been lurking around that garage for days does make me wonder why someone didn't run him off.

Secondly, why would the hotel need to call her pilates instructor as a witness unless they were just trying to humiliate her into submission? Sounds like an attempt to blame her for something rather than defend themselves.

27 posted on 08/15/2009 8:51:53 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Pontiac

Have you considered that perhaps they knew or should have known and that their failure to act did play a part in this? Do facts matter to you?


28 posted on 08/15/2009 8:53:53 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Thanks for the info.
Hey, I’m in PA too. Not a bad place.


29 posted on 08/15/2009 9:00:45 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Bryanw92

of course. These days if everything goes wrong, you get a check from somebody.


30 posted on 08/15/2009 9:09:23 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? (Obama's teleprompter doesn't speak for me.)
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To: metmom

Just got that. if the hotel was aware of a potential danger and did nothibg, that is the definition of negligence.


31 posted on 08/15/2009 9:11:24 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? (Obama's teleprompter doesn't speak for me.)
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To: all the best

No, unless the Democratic Party National Convention was early this year....


32 posted on 08/15/2009 9:13:05 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? (Obama's teleprompter doesn't speak for me.)
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To: nufsed

The “Hotel failed to notice” who noticed it?

Interesting diction...


33 posted on 08/15/2009 9:14:54 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? (Obama's teleprompter doesn't speak for me.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m going to vote for the victim here.

If I stay at a hotel, I expect that my security is part of the package deal. I will take normal care, but I expect the hotel also to do their job in keeping me safe.

If I get robbed in their hotel, including in their parking lot, they are going to hear from me. I expect them to secure the parking garage; after all, my car is there and I expect it to be there undamaged when I return.

If they skimp on security then they are asking for consequences. If they’ve done everything that could reasonably be done, and something bad happens anyway, then I would hold them blameless. That would be their hurdle to prove.


34 posted on 08/15/2009 9:32:14 AM PDT by marron
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To: parsifal
parsy, who says this isn’t news at all to those who work with it.

jla, asking parsy to please elaborate and explain

35 posted on 08/15/2009 9:35:20 AM PDT by jla
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Do facts matter to you?

Yes they do. But we don’t have any.

For all we know this woman was attacked by this perv on his first visit to the parking garage.

As far as we know this woman is making unsubstantiated accusations.

But your response to my reasonable statement shows the potential effect that this case could have on a jury.

We have young mother ravaged in the presence of her very young children. What could evoke a more visceral response on a jury?

No matter what the facts are the jury will have in their mind that the Marriott knew or should have known that this perv was there and they should have done something to prevent the attack.

Whether the Marriott is at fault in fact or not they can expect to pay large sums to this woman if this case goes before a jury. Hence they are trying to persuade her to drop the case or they are attempting to persuade her that a relatively small sum would be preferable to the pain she is going through just to get to trial.

36 posted on 08/15/2009 9:40:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Pontiac

<judges and juries have been handing out billion dollar judgments like they are candy.

That’s what makes the front page. What doesn’t get front page coverage is the court’s reduction of the judgment. Happens all the time, it’s just not front page news. The woman in the McDonald’s coffee case did not get all the money she won in the original case.


37 posted on 08/15/2009 9:42:53 AM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: radiohead
What doesn’t get front page coverage is the court’s reduction of the judgment.

You’re right.

But corporations still spend years in court and millions on defense and still end up paying for things that are not in fact their fault.

Consider in this case that the Marriott contracted out the management of the parking garage and expected that the parking garage would be well managed.

That firm most likely contracted to security firm to provide security for the garage expecting professionalism from that firm.

The courts will not allow a company to insulate themselves from liability this way but I think you can understand how the Marriott would in fact not really have known about this perv if he was in fact in the garage for days.

38 posted on 08/15/2009 9:52:57 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: oldvike

Yes, I agree. The original article didn’t give much info at all. Sheesh, no wonder Americans are woefully uninformed! Thanks for the ping back.


39 posted on 08/15/2009 9:54:23 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: jla

I have a client at office and will be tied up for a while. In the meantime, this will help explain a few things:

http://www.911law.com/identifying_defense_trial_tactics_mist.html

parsy, who is being a good little conservative and working


40 posted on 08/15/2009 10:22:40 AM PDT by parsifal ("Where am I? How did I end up in this hospital room? What is my name?" Anonymous)
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