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Late light reveals what space is made of
New Scientist ^ | Aug 12, 2009 | Anil Ananthaswamy

Posted on 08/12/2009 3:42:19 PM PDT by decimon

ON THE night of 30 June 2005, the sky high above La Palma in Spain's Canary Islands crackled with streaks of blue light too faint for humans to see. Atop the Roque de los Muchachos, the highest point of the island, though, a powerful magic eye was waiting and watching.

MAGIC - the Major Atmospheric Gamma-ray Imaging Cherenkov Telescope - scans the sky each night for high-energy photons from the distant cosmos. Most nights, nothing remarkable comes. But every now and again, a brief flash of energetic light bears witness to the violent convulsions of a faraway galaxy.

What MAGIC saw on that balmy June night came like a bolt from the blue. That is because something truly astounding may have been encoded in that fleeting Atlantic glow: evidence that the fabric of space-time is not silky smooth as Einstein and many others have presumed, but rough, turbulent and fundamentally grainy stuff.

It is an audacious claim that, if verified, would put us squarely on the road to a quantum theory of gravity and on towards the long-elusive "theory of everything". If it were based on a single chunk of MAGIC data, it might easily be dismissed as a midsummer night's dream. But it is not. Since that first sighting, other telescopes have started to see similar patterns. Is this a physics revolution through the barrel of a telescope?

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: anilananthaswamy; electrogravitics; science; stringtheory; telescope
Zippy photons come to the Roque de los Muchachos.
1 posted on 08/12/2009 3:42:22 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

May be of interest.


2 posted on 08/12/2009 3:54:49 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: decimon
Late light reveals?

Klaatu barada nikto!

3 posted on 08/12/2009 3:56:39 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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Muy interesante.


4 posted on 08/12/2009 3:57:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Klaatu barada nikto!

Am not.

5 posted on 08/12/2009 4:04:06 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

bttt


6 posted on 08/12/2009 4:05:51 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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pinging my favorite FReeper cosmologists


7 posted on 08/12/2009 9:33:52 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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Thanks for the ping, dear Kevmo!


8 posted on 08/12/2009 9:53:13 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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9 posted on 08/13/2009 6:03:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon
scans the sky each night for high-energy photons from the distant cosmos.

Picture this: Teddy Roosevelt is on safari on the Serengeti, and he sees both lion dung and elephant dung lying about on the ground. He calls one of the new guides over and asks what he (the guide) makes of that, and the answer he anticipates is something like "Well, Bwana, some elephants done been around here, and some lions done been here TOO!"

The answer which Teddy DOESN'T expect to hear, at least if the man means to keep his job, is that some sort of a magical animal with properties of both lions AND elephants had been around and pooped up the place.

That would clearly be idiotic and, yet, when you open any physics book to the page on "photons", that selfsame logic is PRECISELY what you see. People in coming ages are going to laugh themselves silly when they see that.

10 posted on 08/13/2009 6:37:24 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: decimon

So what you’re saying is that Science is MAGIC?


11 posted on 08/13/2009 6:41:10 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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Fascinating article, Kevmo!

Thanks for the ping!

12 posted on 08/16/2009 9:29:00 AM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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...evidence that the fabric of space-time is not silky smooth as Einstein and many others have presumed, but rough, turbulent and fundamentally grainy stuff.... "All approaches to quantum gravity, in their own very different ways, agree that empty space is not so empty after all," says theorist Giovanni Amelino-Camelia of Sapienza University of Rome in Italy. Many models based on string theory suggest that space-time is a foamy froth of particles, and even microscopic black holes, that spark up out of nothing and disappear again with equal abandon. The alternative approach favoured by Amelino-Camelia, loop quantum gravity, posits that space-time comes in indivisible chunks of about 10-35 metres, a size known as the Planck length.

This is truly a fascinating development, dear Kevmo! I'm attracted to Amelino-Camelia's ideas. He seems to be "quantizing" space-time, which would give it a description that is not only "grainy," but also "jumpy." If one is looking for a "graviton," this would appear to be an interesting way to go about doing it. The "foaming froth" of string theory looks a tad squishy in comparison: I don't know how it would be possible to design an experiment to observe a "foaming froth." But then I'm no scientific genius, and that's for sure.

On the other hand, it seems to me an "epistemological problem" gets dragged into this game with the concept of Planck length. All the Planck length is, when you really boil it all down, is the smallest increment of space (and time, now space-time) that the human mind can conceive or measure. But this does not necessarily mean that there are not smaller objects in Nature that escape our notice because they are on a scale less than Planck length can measure. This means such objects (if they exist) are ineluctibly unobservable in principle. In short, the Planck length seems to bespeak a limit on human cognition that cannot be overcome.

Just wondering out loud about this. And also about this: In quantum theory, we have matrix mechanics and wave mechanics, each respectively describing the same system in different ways. One focuses on particle behavior, the other on wave behavior. (Even though it was he who first put the photon — particulate light — on the map, Einstein was arguably deep-down a "wave" kind of guy. His smoothly curving space-time is perhaps a reflection of this.) Thus enters Niels Bohr's complementarity principle, which deals with physical situations in which two seemingly mutually exclusive quantum phenomena (i.e., particle or waveform) are found to be necessary to the complete description of the system they comprise. Both are measurable quantities; the problem is you can't measure them both at the same time. This is where quantum uncertainty comes into the picture. These insights pertain to material behavior at the deepest level of physics.

This is just to suggest that maybe Amelino-Camelia's quantized space-time and Einstein's smoothly curving model may be in some sense "complementarities."

Thank you again for the ping, Kevmo! Please keep me posted if you see anything more on this subject — I'll be looking, too.

13 posted on 08/16/2009 1:01:59 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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This is just to suggest that maybe Amelino-Camelia's quantized space-time and Einstein's smoothly curving model may be in some sense "complementarities."

Indeed. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

14 posted on 08/16/2009 9:47:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Note: this topic is from August 12, 2009. Thanks KoRn and decimon.

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15 posted on 08/09/2010 4:29:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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Fascinating, thanks for posting and pinging me.


16 posted on 08/09/2010 5:52:04 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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Thanks for the ping, LW.

SunkenCiv: Why now?


17 posted on 08/09/2010 6:07:11 PM PDT by decimon
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Am not.

R2.


18 posted on 08/09/2010 6:25:03 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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My pleasure!


19 posted on 08/09/2010 7:09:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: decimon

Some guy named Ray FReepmailed me. ;’)


20 posted on 08/09/2010 8:08:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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