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Weekly Roundup - Living On Nothing Edition [Survival Today - an On going Thread #3]
Frugal Dad .com ^ | July 23, 2009 | Frugal Dad

Posted on 07/24/2009 3:37:21 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny

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Did you hear about the guy that lives on nothing? No seriously, he lives on zero dollars a day. Meet Daniel Suelo, who lives in a cave outside Moab, Utah. Suelo has no mortgage, no car payment, no debt of any kind. He also has no home, no car, no television, and absolutely no “creature comforts.” But he does have a lot of creatures, as in the mice and bugs that scurry about the cave floor he’s called home for the last three years.

To us, Suelo probably sounds a little extreme. Actually, he probably sounds very extreme. After all, I suspect most of you reading this are doing so under the protection of some sort of man-made shelter, and with some amount of money on your person, and probably a few needs for money, too. And who doesn’t need money unless they have completely unplugged from the grid? Still, it’s an amusing story about a guy who rejects all forms of consumerism as we know it.

The Frugal Roundup

How to Brew Your Own Beer and Maybe Save Some Money. A fantastic introduction to home brewing, something I’ve never done myself, but always been interested in trying. (@Generation X Finance)

Contentment: A Great Financial Principle. If I had to name one required emotion for living a frugal lifestyle it would be contentment. Once you are content with your belongings and your lot in life you can ignore forces attempting to separate you from your money. (@Personal Finance by the Book)

Use Energy Star Appliances to Save On Utility Costs. I enjoyed this post because it included actual numbers, and actual total savings, from someone who upgraded to new, energy star appliances. (@The Digerati Life)

Over-Saving for Retirement? Is it possible to “over-save” for retirement? Yes, I think so. At some point I like the idea of putting some money aside in taxable investments outside of retirement funds, to be accessed prior to traditional retirement age. (@The Simple Dollar)

40 Things to Teach My Kids Before They Leave Home. A great list of both practical and philosophical lessons to teach your kids before they reach the age where they know everything. I think that now happens around 13 years-old. (@My Supercharged Life)

Index Fund Investing Overview. If you are looking for a place to invest with high diversification and relatively low fees (for broader index funds with low turnover), index funds are a great place to start. (@Money Smart Life)

5 Reasons To Line Dry Your Laundry. My wife and I may soon be installing a clothesline in our backyard. In many neighborhoods they are frowned upon - one of the reasons I don’t like living in a neighborhood. I digress. One of our neighbors recently put up a clothesline, and we might just follow his lead. (@Simple Mom)

A Few Others I Enjoyed

* 4 Quick Tips for Getting Out of a Rut * Young and Cash Rich * Embracing Simple Style * First Trading Experience With OptionsHouse * The Exponential Power of Delayed Consumption * How Much Emergency Fund is Enough? * 50 Questions that Will Free Your Mind * Save Money On Car Insurance


TOPICS: Food; Gardening; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous
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To: nw_arizona_granny
>>>> "I have always added baking soda to the pot of beans, about a half teaspoon sounds right, sorry, I am a pour some in my palm and dump person. I do not soak my beans and never found that it was worth while, we did as kids, but I check my beans for dirt clods and wash well, so quit the soaking."

The reason to soak the beans, according to what a professor of pharmacology once lectured to a friend of mine, is to START the process of germination.

Just like when you plant a seed and water it.

The bean is a seed. The process of soaking the beans is necessary to start the process of germination in order that the protein of the bean can be fully digested & assimilated by the human. He said that otherwise the protein is bound up in some form which is totally unassimilated by the human digestive system.

Now, I have NO idea if this is accurate; at the time she took that college course, it was presumably the best info available.

I have read in the meantime that it is also very important to soak the beans and RINSE & CHANGE THE WATER AT LEAST TWICE, because in the skin of the bean are a number of undigestible sugars which can cause havoc in the intestines, and who knows what kind of sugar-food they provide to cancerous tumors in the body?? These dangerous indigestible sugars are removed by soaking the beans.

I find it really interesting that when you were young, it was customary for your parents to serve buttermilk along with a bean dish, that's so interesting... how people "know" certain things about foods, even though Science hasn't yet figured them out.

4,261 posted on 11/08/2009 6:43:43 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All
>>>> "That is about what I thought. They want to make billions from this chance to get rich." <<<<

I'm not sure anymore, Granny. There is a really extremely scary posting about the H1N1 striking down well people and that many many MANY PERSONS IN OUR COUNTRY ARE ON VENTILATORS, due to H1N1. Of course, I have no idea if all the information in the posting linked to, below, is accurate, but it sure doesn't appear to be "scare tactics" to me.

I hope everyone takes time to read the post linked to here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2278371/replies?c=5691

4,262 posted on 11/08/2009 6:50:43 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: nw_arizona_granny
>>>> >>>"just that that was the way it was and everyone made do. What a great generation."<<< -- She sounds like my friend Mary. Some are taught to do what needs to be done and they do it.

There is one Freeper who has occasionally mentioned that there is a HUGE population of unemployed young men, in their late teens & early twenties, gargantuan numbers of unemployed males throughout America, and that this is VERY dangerous - he sometimes mentions the possibility of unauthorized militias, and when I envision them, I frequently wonder what percentage will go into "professional" gangs -- simply to earn a livlihood, to EAT, pay RENT, to live.

I can't even envision what it was like during the early 40s when EVERYBODY's contribution was needed, when there was important necessary work for EVERYONE.

One thing I heard on the radio, which I know absolutely nothing about, but nonetheless found interesting, was someone who mentioned that if the dollar totally collapses, that ALL the factories in the world will relocate to the USA and there will be jobs for virtually everyone overnight.

Sounds impossible.

4,263 posted on 11/08/2009 7:06:57 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: nw_arizona_granny

My lord, what an extremely sad story, Granny, I’m so sorry. Did he and your daughter have children? What a total tragedy.


4,264 posted on 11/08/2009 7:08:36 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: CottonBall
>>>> "...what's a good CHEAP source of food-grade 5 or 6 gallon buckets?"

I've frequently read online that if you go to a bakery or to the deli in a grocery store and ask if you can buy some empty FOOD GRADE BUCKETS that they are very inexpensive - and I suppose if you're a good customer of the store, you might get them free. I've read quite a few people mention that their plastic buckets acquired in this manner previously stored FROSTING - gadzooks, that's alot of frosting, hey??

4,265 posted on 11/08/2009 7:12:28 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: upcountry miss; DelaWhere; nw_arizona_granny
>>>> "I was watching this and thinking, "is this a tape recorded BEFORE this atrocity?" Just couldn't believe this man could be this callous and shallow."

I was amazed that so many news outlets in America agreed with your own assessment; usually, it is only the foreign press which states anything even remotely critical of BHO.

4,266 posted on 11/08/2009 7:18:09 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Marmolade
Thank you for the tip about Menards and Lowe's for the food grade big plastic buckets.

I had NO idea they were so inexpensive, and brand spanking NEW, unused.

I've read of so many people apparently SO happy, just EUPHORIC that they got them for free, that I'd presumed that these food grade buckets were super super super EXPENSIVE.

Yikes, even 5 bucks a bucket, for permanent long term food storage sounds cheap to me, and 3 and a half bucks is simply insignificant -- it's not like we're going to buy a couple hundred of them.

4,267 posted on 11/08/2009 7:24:20 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: DelaWhere
No, I purchase the capsules because one capsule equals make 3 gallons of yogurt, and there's no way I could eat that much yogurt at one setting. Taking SEVERAL capsules all at the same time ensures that SOME of the bacteria actually gets into the mucus linings of the intestines and STAYS there.

If you take one capsule, which admittedly is equivalent to a HUGE amount of yogurt, with "just" one capsule, it mainly just digests ONE meal and is expelled. The idea is to totally repopulate the intestines with the acidophilus, bifidus, etc. In past generations, there weren't any antibiotics to entirely wipe out these beneficia bacteria.

4,268 posted on 11/08/2009 7:35:05 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: DelaWhere

Can you explain to me HOW one makes rice krispies in the home kitchen? I can tolerate Quaker puffed rice, but I get ill whenever I eat Kellogg’s rice krispies, it has to be something in the extra ingredients, like the maltodextrin OR SOMETHING.


4,269 posted on 11/08/2009 7:37:51 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

>>>Can you explain to me HOW one makes rice krispies in the home kitchen?<<<

Well, you start with a magic wand...

But if you don’t have one handy, try this:

http://www.survival-training.info/online_classes2/makingricekrispies.htm

Have not tried it - YET... But will when I get time.


4,270 posted on 11/08/2009 8:24:00 AM PST by DelaWhere (Good News: Recession is over. Bad News: Depression Continues! 10.2% Official unemployed-Real= 19.8%)
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To: hennie pennie

WOW, you must have some really potent capsules...

>>>No, I purchase the capsules because one capsule equals make 3 gallons of yogurt, and there’s no way I could eat that much yogurt at one setting.<<<

3,785 g. per gallon @ 100+ million per gram in normally cultured yogurt = 378,500,000,000 X 3 gallons = 1.1355 Trillion per capsule.

I guess I get concerned when places like BMJ medical journals print things like:

“Probiotic” remedies are not what they seem

“Probiotics,” usually called “acidophilus,” are claimed to contain “friendly” intestinal lactic bacteria, regular consumption of which confers health benefits.1 As a previous report showed that dietary products sold in the United States as containing Lactobacillus acidophilus either contained no viable lactobacilli or contained organisms other than L acidophilus,2 we investigated the microbiological content of 13 brands of probiotics bought over the counter

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/312/7022/55/c

At least when I culture my own, I know it is viable and since I have a measure of activity by how well it cultures, I think I would stick to that.

The other concern would be how beneficial would it be if it is not including enough nutrients to feed the bacteria when you take them all at once. Being Lactobacteria, lactic acid would be a prerequisite. Wouldn’t overdose cause a deficit in nutrients in the intestine?

Just my take on things... If it works for you, that is fantastic.


4,271 posted on 11/08/2009 9:14:58 AM PST by DelaWhere (Good News: Recession is over. Bad News: Depression Continues! 10.2% Official unemployed-Real= 19.8%)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

>>>>there will never be enough hours for all I have planned>>>> so very, very true!!! That’s what gets us out of bed when our aching bones are telling us to stay there.


4,272 posted on 11/08/2009 9:58:08 AM PST by upcountry miss
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To: hennie pennie

>>>if the dollar totally collapses, that ALL the factories in the world will relocate to the USA and there will be jobs for virtually everyone overnight.<<<

Sorry, but not going to happen... They will buy our resources - mineral rights, timberland, grains, technology, etc. with the ‘cheap dollars’ and wait for us to get over our NIMBY attitude. Then they would ‘own’ us.

They will keep the manufacturing jobs at home - keeping their employment up and building their capacity for the BIG markets of the future - China, India, Brazil. Wasn’t that what the British Empire did? They kept the good jobs in England and brought raw materials and peon labor jobs of providing the resources they let the colonies do.


4,273 posted on 11/08/2009 10:17:01 AM PST by DelaWhere (Good News: Recession is over. Bad News: Depression Continues! 10.2% Official unemployed-Real= 19.8%)
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To: DelaWhere

Mine are refrigerated, claim to be laboratory tested and says on the front ‘5 billion cpu/g’ .... however, although I am certain that these DO contain significant amounts of acidophilus, I have never read anywhere that they can create a deficiency ... so although I use them infrequently, I’m not going to take any more of them, THANKS for sharing your knowledge about such things.


4,274 posted on 11/08/2009 1:03:18 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: DelaWhere

LOL, I thought there was something wrong with that person’s hypothesis, and I believe you’re right.


4,275 posted on 11/08/2009 1:05:08 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: All; DelaWhere

http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13948&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165&sid=1521771fa1733276eb1271ae5fe144ac

The title of this groups thread is “Nasty things you find in your page”, looks to be about 15 pages of news items for this year.

granny


4,276 posted on 11/08/2009 1:13:20 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All

Group formed to legalize urban farming in the City of L.A.

Formed in June 2009, Urban Farming Advocates (UFA) is a group of individuals, small
business owners and organizations seeking to legalize urban farming in the City
of L.A. We respectfully challenge outdated ordinances that restrict people’s freedom
to use residential land for urban agriculture and self-reliance, practiced in a
sustainable and responsible way, and in a manner that is directly related to the
city’s efforts to green Los Angeles.


Hollywood restaurant has an edible garden

Just feet from the 110 freeway’s Academy exit and behind a tall iron gate, a garden
oasis is hiding. The Solano Community Garden in Angelino Heights is home to Mirabelle
restaurant’s new edible garden, where the West Hollywood establishment grows 100
percent organic produce on a four-and-a-half-acre plot.


Urban farming yields a harvest of hassles

Steve Mann doesn’t look like an outlaw as he cheerfully harvests giant rutabagas
and luscious lettuce bunches from a friend’s garden in Kansas City, North.

But technically he is violating Kansas City ordinances as he prepares to sell the
produce.

Brooke Salvaggio never dreamed that she and her husband, Dan Heryer, were running
afoul of city codes when they used a few apprentices in their backyard garden business
in south Kansas City.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All stories here.
City Farmer News [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102814047524&s=1304&e=001etVRGXyPYJQiK8Tfdu7LiGaoCTg-BcgzTdBOTIbvFk6uNCeYvXULUq9UlM4MQZHA7qci-3189Qtn6YGchDoX9xxWkQAen5yKOPfoO_11RoFvCbxV5QP_JA==]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Michael Levenston
City Farmer - Canada’s Office of Urban Agriculture


4,277 posted on 11/08/2009 1:26:28 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: hennie pennie

I have read in the meantime that it is also very important to soak the beans and RINSE & CHANGE THE WATER AT LEAST TWICE, because in the skin of the bean are a number of undigestible sugars which can cause havoc in the intestines, and who knows what kind of sugar-food they provide to cancerous tumors in the body?? These dangerous indigestible sugars are removed by soaking the beans.<<<

That is how my sister cooks them and they are tasteless, even when I do the seasoning of them.


4,278 posted on 11/08/2009 1:35:54 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: hennie pennie

Yes, there are strange diseases out there and no doubt some of them are new, and invented in a lab.

There is always a company or person, who will make a profit, from the illness we have.

In the mid 70’s, Diana allowed her 8 year old daughter to visit us in Wellton, Angela got very sick, I took her to our local Doctor and he said “I do not know what is wrong with her, take her back to her mother in San Diego.

Diana came for her and took her to San Diego Doctors, they did not have any idea what was wrong with her.

Is the H1N1 a pandemic, it could be.

That said, I also pick up signs that the leaders want it to be and are taking steps to see they get the extra control of us, through the laws for pandemics.

We had quarantines when I was young and it makes sense to me, so it is not something I have a problem with.


4,279 posted on 11/08/2009 1:46:13 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: hennie pennie

There is one Freeper who has occasionally mentioned that there is a HUGE population of unemployed young men, in their late teens & early twenties, gargantuan numbers of unemployed males throughout America, and that this is VERY dangerous - he sometimes mentions the possibility of unauthorized militias, and when I envision them, I frequently wonder what percentage will go into “professional” gangs — simply to earn a livlihood, to EAT, pay RENT, to live.<<<

It is already going on, listen to your police scanner.

Over and over, the description of the wanted person, is by their clothing, even to baseball hats.

They are robbing and killing right now for money.

If they want a beer, they go to the store and tuck a 24 pack under each arm and take off running.

From the loads some of them run with, they must be in excellent condition.

Sometimes, someone even steals food.


4,280 posted on 11/08/2009 1:50:42 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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