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Is Being a 'Truther' Really a Bad Thing?
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Posted on 07/24/2009 12:22:38 AM PDT by lquist1

This is my first (and maybe only) writing in FR, but I wanted to address this issue about Obama's eligibility to be POTUS....


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This is my first (and maybe only) writing in FR, but I wanted to address this issue about Obama's eligibility to be POTUS.

It seems that all the liberals and even many on our side seem to think that the desire from Obama to verify that he's actually qualified to serve as POTUS somehow makes us kooks. I recently discovered that they even have a name for us-"truthers."

Well, I have to admit that when this issue first came up last fall, I didn't take it very seriously. I wasn't paying much attention to it, but I figured that Obama had released his birth certificate online and it was all settled.

Also, I never imagined that anyone would attempt a fraud of this magnitude. I mean, he'd really have to be the definition of arrogance to think he could cover up from EVERYONE the fact that he wasn't born in the United States.

I've seen the issue heating up again, so I decided to look into it further. Now, I may not have all the facts straight, but this is what I understand the facts to be so far:

1. Obama alleges he was born in Hawaii on Aug 4, 1961.

2. Obama has released a certificate of live birth (COLB), not to be confused with a long-form birth certificate. This COLB has appeared online and compared with other real COLBs from Hawaii, and its authenticity has been found to be questionable.

3. Even if this COLB were real, it would only prove that Obama's parents reported his birth in Hawaii, not that he was actually born there.

4. The White House has named 2 different hospitals in Hawaii that they claim he was born in, neither of which is willing to confirm it.

5. There have been several lawsuits against Obama, asking him to prove eligibility. None of these suits have been settled on the merits of the case, all have either been dismissed for lack of "standing" or are currently in the appeal process.

6. The state of Hawaii claims that Obama's original B.C. was (conveniently) lost when they switched to an electronic system.

7. People in Kenya have said that he was born there:

A. Obama's paternal grandmother Sarah Obama has signed a sworn affidavit saying she witnessed his birth at a hospital in Kenya.

B. Other people that have traveled to Kenya say it is well-known that Obama was born there.

C. The Kenyan ambassador to the US, in a radio interview, confirmed that Obama was born there-apparently he didn't know at the time that this was a subject of controversy. How would he? The state-run media would never tell him.

8. A recent Army major refused his orders to go the Afghanistan, asking that Obama first produce a B.C. to prove that he is qualified to be his commander in chief. Instead of fighting the case, the Army revoked his orders, opening the door to many more military objections.

There are several more issues surrounding Obama's childhood in Indonesia, the passport he used to travel to Pakistan in 1981 when the US had a travel restriction, and others.

Now, my question is, what makes us 'truthers' so whacked out and radical to want, with all these questions, for a guy that holds the most powerful position in the world to prove that he's qualified?

What's most distressing are the people on the conservative side like redstate.com and hotair.com that say this is a waste of time and distracts us from other issues like health care.

That is utter nonsense! Are they saying we can't walk and chew gum at the same time? Also, what greater question should we focus on than a person's eligibility to hold office? If he's ineligible, all the legislation he signs should be null and void?

So, please tell me, do I have my facts straight, or did I make an error? Assuming my facts are right, am I crazy to care about this issue?

I'd like to hear from people on the other side of this if possible. Why should this issue be ignored?

1 posted on 07/24/2009 12:22:38 AM PDT by lquist1
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To: lquist1

Only if you are a Leftist Liberal Democrat.

Then, of course, you also immediately become a racist as well.


2 posted on 07/24/2009 12:25:17 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: lquist1

Nice post. I think you summarized it very well.


3 posted on 07/24/2009 12:38:16 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: lquist1
I think it's a legitimate issue that remains unsettled. More importantly, it's a constitutional issue that demands a final judgement.
4 posted on 07/24/2009 12:38:57 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: lquist1
The logic that prompts your thinking and questions is not flawed.

We've been under steady conditioning to accept Anti-Christ.

I'm not saying zero is Anti-Christ, but I AM saying that, for the world to accept and allow Anti-Christ and a one-world religion as depicted in Scripture, there MUST be a conditioning process that numbs clear thinking people out of action so that Evil can multiply and flourish.

I think 'truther' or 'birther' are on the same idea as 'Christian' in the end time.


We live in historical and prophetic times.

5 posted on 07/24/2009 12:41:11 AM PDT by knarf
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To: lquist1
Truther is a term for those who think 9/11 was an inside job.

ie Bush let it happen or Bush made it happen.

Birther is the term you are looking for.

Big difference. Birthers want Obama to prove he is eligible to hold the office.

6 posted on 07/24/2009 12:44:03 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: lquist1

I think ‘truthers’ are those who believe Bush and the government were in on the 9/11 attacks; ‘birthers’ are those pursuing BHO’s birth certificate.

But your points are well made. Last fall the issue was, at best, a curiosity to me, but as time passed and BHO spent a million dollars on lawyers NOT to present a document he could get for free or a $12 fee, it became increasingly suspicious.

The turning point may well turn out to have been Maj. Cook’s case (nasty FReeper that he is!) when the DoD not only revoked his orders but threatened his employer with loss of DoD contracts if he weren’t let go from that company.


7 posted on 07/24/2009 12:44:55 AM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: lquist1

No, there are plenty of us, but the most often used term
by the left is “birthers”.

I am curious where you heard this:

6. The state of Hawaii claims that Obama’s original B.C. was (conveniently) lost when they switched to an electronic system.

As posted here by another FReeper, all original documents have to be saved as originals OR on microfilm.
Obama’s original would look like the one posted on here quite often:

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u358/zczc3185/Birth_cert_coats_7c.jpg


8 posted on 07/24/2009 12:45:09 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: lquist1

Sticks and stones will break my bones...


9 posted on 07/24/2009 12:47:10 AM PDT by fellowpatriot
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To: pissant; LucyT; Polarik

more.


10 posted on 07/24/2009 12:47:16 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: lquist1

ping.


11 posted on 07/24/2009 12:47:25 AM PDT by lmr (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: R0CK3T
You might need to correct your terms

A "Truther" is someone that believes 9/11 was GW Bush-neocon plot

A Birther is what you are referring to --- Questioning Obama's BC

12 posted on 07/24/2009 12:48:18 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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To: Jet Jaguar

No, they’re sometimes called ‘birth certificate truthers’.


13 posted on 07/24/2009 12:49:45 AM PDT by GoldStandard
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To: GoldStandard

Thanks for the information. That is the first I have heard of that.


14 posted on 07/24/2009 12:51:14 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: lquist1

The fact that he has been able to perpetrate this fraud says a lot about his political and financial backing.

Even Hillary’s machine was no match for him during that little 1 on 1 they had before the convention where she tucked her tail and ran.

It is so outlandish that nobody believes that it could happen, so they assume that those simply asking for proof must just be a bunch of nut jobs... So while congress held hearings to determine McCain’s eligibility, they NEVER held hearings on Obama’s eligibility... So why didn’t McCain object to the special treatment?

This goes way beyond our borders folks... dont doubt it for a second. This administration has been in the makings for the last 30 years.

If we blow this one, the constitution becomes totally worthless.


15 posted on 07/24/2009 12:56:08 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: tophat9000
Just fyi...A birther really has just a very very simple request that SOULD be simple to meet... please provide a certified photo copy of Obama long form original birth certificate that would be on file in state archives if he was born there...
16 posted on 07/24/2009 12:56:43 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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To: lquist1
I thought the ‘truthers’ were those that believed 9/11 was an ‘inside’ job and those of us who consider zero's (lack of) constitutional qualification to be president an issue ‘birthers’.

That nit aside, I'm extremely concerned that:
the democratic party,
the republican party,
each individual states’ secretary of state,
all states 2008 electors,
both houses of congress,
the outgoing administration,
all federal employees to include all branches of the military
(except for a few true patriots like Maj Cook)
who have taken an oath to ‘defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic’ or similar,
care so little about that oath
and their obligation to protect the foundation of all U.S. federal laws
that they allow this most obscene fraud ever perpetrated on the U.S. (and there have been some whoppers) to occur.

It's patently obvious we the people have been far to ‘fat, dumb and happy’ and lazy to shoulder our civic responsibilities.

If you're crazy, them I'm crazy too. But I won't be dissuaded that the issue will be addressed and rectified. My preferred mantra is ‘flush washington dc’.

We need to get rid of the career politicians and find folks in our own communities who we know are trustworthy and send them to represent us for a limited period.

(thank you for providing me another opportunity to rant :)

17 posted on 07/24/2009 1:01:58 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... reality always gets the last vote.)
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To: lquist1
The term "truther" generally refers to those who believe that the US government and Jews, not radical Muslims, were behind the 9/11 attacks.

"Birther" is the term for those seeking Obama's birth details.

I believe that most of your facts are correct, except:

6. The state of Hawaii claims that Obama's original B.C. was (conveniently) lost when they switched to an electronic system.

I don't believe that this is the case. Hawaiian birth certificates are confidential, not public record. Obama, for whatever reasons, has not released his.

7. People in Kenya have said that he was born there:

A. Obama's paternal grandmother Sarah Obama has signed a sworn affidavit saying she witnessed his birth at a hospital in Kenya...

C. The Kenyan ambassador to the US, in a radio interview, confirmed that Obama was born there...

Neither of those assertions is correct. Those two were almost certainly referring to Obama, Sr. There may be other people in Kenya who do actually claim that Obama, Jr. was born there. I have seen no credible evidence that his mother ever visited Kenya. In fact, it seems unlikely that Obama, Sr., would have taken his pregnant girlfriend home because he already had a wife and children there.

the passport he used to travel to Pakistan in 1981 when the US had a travel restriction

There was no "travel restriction" to Pakistan, only a warning. There is no evidence that Obama has ever held a foreign passport. He has had a US passport since age 5 or 6, which he used many times to travel between Indonesia and Hawaii. The State Dept. likely required his original Hawaiian birth certificate before granting him a passport. However, we do not know for sure as passport applications are confidential.

18 posted on 07/24/2009 1:06:17 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: lquist1

You left out his foreign student visa (which he overstayed ahem...), & scholarships.


19 posted on 07/24/2009 1:17:39 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Ifanationexpects tobe ignorantandfree,inastateofcivilization,itexpects whatneverwas andnever will be)
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To: lquist1

Since you asked, lets get a few misconceptions cleared up:

Your 2: Obama has NOT, repeat NOT, released a “Certificate of Live Birth”. That is one of the problems. He has only released, and done so in an informal way, a very different document called a “CERTIFICATION of Live Birth”. There is a huge difference between the two documents and it would help keep things straight if the proper terminology was used consistently. One problem is that the commonly used abbreviation “COLB,” could just as easily stand for either document. Just remember this, the “Certificate of Live Birth” is the long form, archival birth certificate. The one Obama has NOT released.

Your 6: To the best of my knowledge, this is utterly false. What the likely truth is it that all paper documents have been scanned into image files, and it would be from this digital image that any “Certificate of Live Birth” would be reproduced for authentication and distribution. But the notion that the archival copies would be “lost” during this process is unthinkable and would violate laws against destruction of archival records.

Finally, the term is “birthers,” not “truthers”. “Truthers” refers to tinfoil hat types like Rosie O”Donnell who think that the US Government (or more likely Dick Cheney) did a controlled demolition of the WTC in order to unfairly blame Muslims. Please don’t confuse us with them.

And to add a comment of my own, the place of birth of Barack Obama is absolutely crucial to whether he is a citizen of the United States, but it is irrelevant to whether he is a “natural born” citizen as required to qualify for the Presidency under the Constitution. He is not and cannot be a natural born citizen because his father was not a citizen of the United States. This is an open and shut issue. One can only marvel at the hubris of the Democrat party to think that they can nominate an individual patently unqualified and gat away with it.


20 posted on 07/24/2009 2:01:30 AM PDT by John Valentine
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