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Weekly Gardening Thread – 2009 Vol.9 – July 10
FreeRepublic | 7-10-2009 | Red_Devil 232

Posted on 07/10/2009 3:59:55 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232

Good morning to all of you gardeners. Toward the end of last weeks Gardening Thread there was a short discussion about saving Heirloom Tomato seeds. Many of you might have missed the information so I thought I would start this weeks thread on that topic.


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To: tubebender

Since your wife has been canning all these years, how about letting her retire from that job?

Why don’t you do it? :)


141 posted on 07/10/2009 6:57:17 PM PDT by JRochelle ("I wasn't briefed about the briefing, I was only informed." SanFranNan.)
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To: JRochelle

ROTFL!


142 posted on 07/10/2009 7:01:33 PM PDT by abner (I have no tagline, therefore no identity.)
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To: JRochelle

Sure... if she assumes my duties and I can go to the Casino twice a week like she does...


143 posted on 07/10/2009 7:11:05 PM PDT by tubebender (I just discovered where all my lost tag lines went...)
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To: JRochelle

BTW... I WAS the one manning the Tuna canner in the garage as you don’t want to ever can tuna on the stove...


144 posted on 07/10/2009 7:13:11 PM PDT by tubebender (I just discovered where all my lost tag lines went...)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Thanks for the info I have a ton of heirloom tomato plants that are currently growing like crazy here in SE Ohio. I do want to harvest both varities seeds.


145 posted on 07/10/2009 7:56:41 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: tubebender

OK, I’ll bite.

Why don’t you want to can tuna on the stove? And why can tuna? Is it cheap where you live?


146 posted on 07/10/2009 8:10:22 PM PDT by JRochelle ("I wasn't briefed about the briefing, I was only informed." SanFranNan.)
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To: JRochelle

Tuna is a very oily fish and really can stink up a house. I clean it outside and the First Wife cults it up and puts it in 1/2 pint jars or you can use pints for a large family. We buy the Tuna right off the fishing boats cutting out the middle man and saving the shipping cost. Albacore is caught on hook and line and the crew cuts it’s throat to bleed out then it is tossed into a Blast Freezer in the boat and freezes solid in about 20 minutes. We buy it frozen and put it in our big freezer until a couple of days prior to canning...


147 posted on 07/10/2009 8:24:58 PM PDT by tubebender (I just discovered where all my lost tag lines went...)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Wow! My mother gave me a huge stack of “Organic Gardening” Magazines from the mid 1970’s to the early 1980’s!
Can’t wait to check em out!


148 posted on 07/10/2009 8:51:15 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: who knows what evil?
“I can't believe that I had to bring my hot peppers INSIDE to avoid the cold in mid-July...unreal”

Post #5

Just started reading the thread:

For anyone who is wondering why their peppers are growing slowly this year.

Peppers don't need hot days to grow well, only warm.
However, when nightly temps continue to dip below 55 degrees, their growth can come to a near standstill.

JJ61

149 posted on 07/10/2009 9:26:30 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: BigBlueJon
Big Blue, from your post #41

Just started reading the thread so i don't know if your
question on BER, Blossom End Rot has been answered.

It can be caused by a deficiency of calcium in the soil.

Though it is usually caused by too MUCH or to LITTLE water
at the root system; or a constant swing between the two.
The latter happen often in potted tomatoes.

The plant is under stress and can not deliver calcium up
from the roots, through the vine, to where it is needed
in the fruit set.

150 posted on 07/10/2009 9:48:33 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: Red_Devil 232

That White Snowball tomato looks ripe to me.
You’ll know it by that “ripe, soft feel”.

Same thing can be said about the “Green When Ripe” types.
You will know it by their feel.

JJ61


151 posted on 07/10/2009 10:01:33 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: Red_Devil 232
About the Brandywines lack of production. They are moderate
or even low producers usually. Hot, humid conditions are
the culprits and many southern gardeners give up on them
completely.

High temps kill much of the pollen, and humidity clumps
the surviving bits. Fruit sets slow or stop when the
daily highs are consistently in the mid-90s.

A great tip to induce setting is to simply “flick” the
blossoms daily with you finger. A simple “finger flick”
or two will help stir up that pollen and greatly improve
fruit sets.

Brandywines and BW Sudduth strain(especially), are worth
the attempt and extra attention as they can be among the
best tasters out there.

JJ61

152 posted on 07/10/2009 10:29:54 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: chris_bdba
Hey Chris,

SE Ohio is a great Tom growing location. In fact, Ohio, Pennsy, and NJ are an enviable tomato growing area for many.

Climate is the main reason and many of the Great Heirlooms have come from this region.

Since you are in Ohio and into Heirlooms, you might like to do a “search” on a fellow named Ben Quissenberry(sp)?
He was one of the greatest Tomato seed collectors.

He was a deeply spiritual Ohio man who collected MANY of the best heirloom varieties available today. Without him, many of these great toms would have gone extinct.

At the age of 90, he was still self-handling a garden of about 500 tom plants.

He died at the age of about 96 in the mid 1980s.
Every time I taste a Brandywine Sudduth or Stump Of The World, I think of and thank the man for the flavor he saved for the world.

Interestingly, he did not save seeds by fermenting. He simply smoothed the tomato goop and seeds on to plywood sheets and let the Sun have its way with them for a few days.

JJ61

153 posted on 07/10/2009 11:06:55 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: JerseyJohn61

Every time I walk through the rows of tomatoes I give a nice flick or tap to the stems that have floweres on them.


154 posted on 07/11/2009 2:01:52 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Gabz

LOL. We’ve had loads of rain in Missouri too. I didn’t keep track, but it totally felt like more than 40 days and 40 nights. Made it hard to get the garden out. First year we have been serious about gardening. I have been reading the University extension articles on the web.


155 posted on 07/11/2009 2:03:23 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Good morning. I'm late to the thread but checking in to say that my little patch of potatoes (grown from those sprouting in my kitchen) really taste good when cooked w/the green beans from my small garden.

The zucchini have slowed down, but I have straight neck yellow squash coming along to keep me in squash. LOL

The rains weeks ago jump started my green pepper plants which are producing nicely.

The okra is growing well, but I'll have to wait a few more weeks before they bloom.

Thanks to all of you posters...I enjoy reading about all of you and I learn a lot.

156 posted on 07/11/2009 4:03:24 AM PDT by Carolinamom (R)
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To: Red_Devil 232
I don't think you would fully cook the beans or peas before you pressure can them because of the length of time that they are going to cook in the pressure canner. When I canned the chicken, the instructions were to cook it between half and two-thirds of the way done and then pack. Seems to me like it was in the pressure canner for 1-1/2 hours, plus the time it took for the thing to cool down enough to open. Obviously, it would be fully cooked after all of that.

The other issue that comes to mind that you might have to watch if you can red beans with sausage, is the fat from the sausage. It is my understanding that you can't can very much fat because it tends to cause spoilage faster than other ingredients. If you were to skim as much as possible off before you packed the jars, you'd be in good shape.

157 posted on 07/11/2009 6:30:36 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

It is obvious I have a lot to learn about pressure canning. I don’t have a caner yet will be looking for one in the next week or so.


158 posted on 07/11/2009 10:26:32 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232
What are the general methods used to do regular canning (in Ball mason jars?) and pressure canning? I am also interested in giving it a try!

I saw a small section for heirloom tomatos while in the grocery store today. An assortment of varieties all mixed and no ID of variety. Some looked like Cherokee Purple. The price was $4.99/lb!

159 posted on 07/11/2009 3:37:05 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: MtnClimber
This is the way I do it. Pot of boiling water to dip tomatoes in briefly and a large bowl of ice cold water.

Tomatoes you are going to can (I do one variety at a time) into the boiling water for 10 to 15 seconds. then remove and cool in the ice water. Repeat.

I core the stem end of each tomato and peel the skin off.

I have another pot of boiling water going by this time and I put in the washed/rinsed Ball wide mouth jars along with the lids and threaded rings. Let them boil.

Now cut up your tomatoes how ever you want to can them. Remove one canning jar and a lid and a ring. I put one Tbs of lime juice in the jar then add tomatoes to about 1/2 inch of the rim. Wipe the rim with a clean paper towel then seal with lid and ring. Repeat.

I then put three or four of the sealed jars back in the boiling water standing up. Make sure you have at least a half inch of boiling water covering the jars.

For my altitude I boil for 10 min. You will have to adjust this time for your altitude - there are tables on the Net that give you this info.

Remove the jars and set them somewhere they can cool. Eventually you will hear the lids ping as they cool and set the seal!

160 posted on 07/11/2009 4:15:35 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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