Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck
My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?
(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...
Great. If they could have just hung on for 50-60 years until any of that good stuff happened.
What makes you think they would have lasted. More likely they would have been an economic colony of Great Britain as many Texans wanted to be fifteen years earlier.
I’ve remarked about the regional bigotry that is allowed to fester here at FreeRepublic. Apparently our hosts are not bothered by it. So be it.
I think it is as short-sighted as it is disingenuous. Fortunately it is limited to a very few...
Of course, they were out of the union.
BTW. Do you know who the Governor of Tennessee was when the legislature there ratified the 13th?
"Parson" William G. Brownlow had been in office two whole days.
Both those states, as well as Arkansas were operating under Lincoln's 10% plan ...
The magazine's assertion was that APPOINTED governments ratified for Southern States. Unfortunately for their claims, the states in question had held elections for the state offices. Naturally, with the military occupying 4 of the states, secessionists would be denied suffrage [where in the Constitution is that legal?]. Yet in 4 other Southern states, free elections were held, and almost all elected were former Confederates. In the elections for federal office the majority were ex-confederates. They were also denied their seats in the federal congress.
Paragraph 2 of Davis' letter to Lincoln: "For the purpose of establishing friendly relations between the Confederate States and the United States, and reposing special trust, &c., Martin J. Crawford, John Forsyth, and A. B. Roman are appointed special commissioners of the Confederate States to the United States." Not negotiate. Not discuss both Davis' side and Lincoln's side. They were there for one purpose and one purpose only - get Lincoln's recognition of confederate independence. Period. And only after Lincoln had given in to the demand was there a vague offer to "to agree, treat, consult, and negotiate of and concerning all matters and subjects interesting to both nations." So if payment for property seized was of interes to the confederacy then they might discuss it, but only after Lincoln surrendered to their first demand. One has to assume that if payment for anything was not interesting to the confederacy then it wouldn't be on the table. So your claim that they were there to negotiate is, to use your term, a canard. They were there to demand. They were there to get Lincoln's surrender. They were there with an ultimatum.
I'm sure Hallmark has a card for an occasion like this. I'll dig it up because I care enough to send the very best...to the very worst.
I would give more weight to Madison. I don't always agree with Lincoln's interpretation.
And this is Lincoln's 'super secret' plan for invading Charleston? The one he informed Governor Pickens on?
You know that the movement of the garrison from Ft. Moultrie to Ft. Sumter broke the Buchanan-South Carolina agreement, and was considered an act of war against the State of SC.
Not from Buchanan's viewpoint. He promised not to send any reinforcements to Charleston in return for South Carolina's pledge not to seize any federal facilities in the area. A pledge that they broke when they seized Fort Moultrie, Castle Pinkney, and the Charleston Armory.
Anderson formally threatened to fire on harbor traffic.
Nonsense.
There was no Confederate attempt to starve anyone.
Then why did Davis order all contact with the fort cut off, including food, almost two weeks before they finally attacked?
The Union fleet's appearance, firing on civilian shipping, seizure of ships, and blockade consituted acts of war against the state's sovergn coastline.
South Carolina's firing on Sumter constituted an act of armed rebellion against the federal government.
"Reason" and "knowledge" are two terms I would never apply to you.
From the Northern point of view it wasn't about slavery. But from the Southern point of view it was.
Deo Vindice
If you are not a Texan, you wouldn’t understand. Texans who are 4th or 5th generation are raised with the notion of independence. It matters to us what our ancestors did - what they sacrificed for us. History is important because if you don’t know where you came from, you don’t know where you are going. People who are not born in Texas but who have an independent streak get here as fast as they can.
Do people in your state decorate their houses and places of business with symbols of the State? Here you will find the Lone Star on people’s houses (my own front door has the Lone Star on each of three panels). The local bank is decorated with gigantic iron Lone Stars on the outside. A steel building is being built down the road which has a tin roof painted with giant red and white stripes and a big blue field with white star on the left hand side. I reckon it’s pretty beautiful when seen from the air. I defy anyone to say that their state has more pride or independence than we do. I highly doubt that Texas would have become a colony of Great Britain after suffering through the War of Northern Agression.
War of Southern Rebellion.
the reason for the WBTS is the SAME as it is in our dealings with the northern/socialist leviathan NOW = GET OUT of our LIVES, tend ONLY to your own business & leave us ALONE.
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Manure.
as i've quoted, numerous times, an old grad school prof of mine: "Things in history are simple only to SIMPLETONS."
He sure had you pegged then. Which grad school was this?
You can call it the "Southern Hissy Fit" if you want.
the TRUTH is that nobody believes the NONSENSE that you routinely post (anymore), as your PREJUDICE against southerners is obvious.
fwiw, your PROPAGANDA was once at least interesting to read, though most of it was simply regurgitated REVISIONIST NONSENSE & SELF-righteous KNOWING LIES out of "the poison ivy draped halls" of northeastern LEFTIST/SOCIALIST (some would say: COMMUNIST) academia.
laughing AT you.
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Actually it is you who did not read the “letter.”
Your posting states flatly that there was a letter. There was none.
According to your own link, Robert Chew was instructed by Lincoln to deliver a message.
No letter.
your "five best years" of "fedrul gubmint apruvd pubic screwl edumakashun" seems to have been third grade.
truth is, you seem PITIFULLY ignorant, as well as FR's biggest BLOWHARD, LOUDmouth & VULGAR-talking LOUT.
laughing AT you, BIGOT.
free dixie,sw
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