What of Freemasonry?

The "Net" | May 23, 2009 | logic 'n reason

[Logic n' Reason]

I have become very curious about the Freemasons and freemasonry in general.
How does it "fit in" with the group of Christian religions...how about islam? What are the views and opinions of those at this site?

[FourPeas]

Ah, I did not know that. My Buddhist friends must be Theravada Buddhists. Thank you for the info.

[longtermmemmory]

Masons recruit?

what did they do? set up a table with pamphlets?

last time at the airport I don’t remember seeing any freemasons recruiting. (now that would be a sight...)

[longtermmemmory]

Pope John Paul changed that, he said freemasonry is not incompatible with christianity.

(per history channel)

[Ann Archy]

My father sold Knights of Columbus Insurance and was a 4th degree Knight. Talk about a hard job.....he could ONLY sell to other Knights!

[Ann Archy]

My grandfather was a 33rd degree mason....a Grand Master of the Lodge, and finally very close to his death he got baptized and became a Christian.

Catholics are allowed ONLY a 1st degree in Masonry which is the base of the volunteering and good works, with NO religion involved, as I have come to understand it.

[Pharmboy]

So, George Washington was not a Christian, according to you. Okay...

[Elsie]

And now that you have been reliably informed, you can stop writing what you wrote, okay?

Uh...

... where is the INFORMATION?

All that I see is a CLAIM - no proof given.

[Elsie]

There are many false statements you have cited in your analysis,

Oh?

Show us one and say WHY it is CLAIMED to be 'false'.

[mcswan]

Ann,

A minor point, but Grand Master is not a title used at the lodge level; Master of the Lodge is the correct title. Grand Master is the title used for at the state level, meaning the temporary top official for Freemasonry in the state. I suspect your grandfather was Master of his lodge.

When I was Master of my lodge a few years ago, a long time member, a Catholic man, died and had before his death requested a masonic funeral service. His daughter, also a Catholic, called me for details about the service and ranted (really no other way to describe it) about how Masonry was despicable and that no Catholic should ever be involved with it, but that it was what her father had wanted and so be it. I did my best to console and comfort her, knowing how traumatic times of family deaths are, and assured her we would be respectful of family wishes. After our service the daughter came to me to apologize for her earlier stress related anger, and to say how moved the family was by the solemnity and reverence of the service.

[greyfoxx39]

There are many false statements you have cited in your analysis, which I infer is coming from the source, which might refer to some clandestine pseudo-Masonic organization but bears no resemblance whatsoever to the organization I know. I will say that at best some of the information is correct as to existence but incorrect as to reference or use.

Did you even read my post? The thrust of the post was that mormonism copied from masonry as it was in the time of Joseph Smith.

It appears that what you have posted to Tennessee Nana and myself in an eagerness to dispute our sources is a covert defense of mormonism and its founder.

From my post, "As Mervin Hogan, a Mormon Mason, explained in 1991, "[L]ittle room for doubt can exist in the mind of an informed, objective analyst that the Mormon Temple Endowment and the rituals of ancient Craft Masonry are seeming intimately and definitely involved."56."

I am awaiting your post citing sources for your claims.

In reading your posting history I see that you have lost a loved one very recently. Please accept my condolences.

[Ann Archy]

You are right...luckily he turned Christian before his death, but before that Masonry was his religion.

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[mcswan]

Masonry was never his religion, masonry is not a religion. The family in the case I referenced began to understand that.
They, at least, had enough respect for someone important to them to not assume him an idiot. It may serve you well to have at least that much respect for people important to you as well.

[mcswan]

Good luck to you.

I sometimes make the mistake of thinking we can have a respectful discussion of Masonry here. Instead we get a lot of the juvenile ignorance I think of as being more representative of dailykos or democraticunderground; people who know absolutely nothing about Freemasonry but are convinced they do.

[blackie]

Wrong!!

[blackie]

Wrong!!

[blackie]

It boggles the mind that the most uninformed zombies show up on these Masonry threads, just to display their ignorance...*sigh*

Be Ever Vigilant!

[Chode]

Masonry is getting to be like religion and politics, for those who understand it's not a religion - understand Masonry, for those who don't, no explanation is good enough...

[Safrguns]

Thats ok... you are certainly free to reach that conclusion.

[editor-surveyor]

"And who might 'we' be?"

Those of us that accept God's word. - Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me"