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This kind of thing shows why no ground can be given up on this issue. No Civil Unions, No Marriage else you get the whole package. They will track you down and force you and your communities to submit to them with nothing less.
1 posted on 05/22/2009 9:05:47 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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Wow! This is too funny to be co-incidental...

Embry...Embry....Embyr...Ahhh!

EMBRYO!!!
I get it now....

4 posted on 05/22/2009 9:15:11 AM PDT by China Clipper (My favorite animals usually are found next to the rice on my plate.)
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what best serves the child interest? the issue that needs to be considered is whether there is some sort of bond the child has to this other person, the rupture of which might cause emotional harm to the child..........or whether the child’s best’s interest would to protect her from this other adult.........you have to put best interests of the child first, adults be damned..they are the ones that created this mess


6 posted on 05/22/2009 9:25:05 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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This whole case is so convoluted that I've read the article several times and still don't get why Embry got the child and Ryan lost it.

Adoptions were originally set up so that there was a kind of "social invisibility" of the adoption to anyone other than the parents. In other words, efforts were made to match parents and children so that the children would appear to society to be the "natural issue" of their adoptive parents, even if they weren't born of them. That's why, for many years, white couples could only adopt white babies and black couples could only adopt black babies. So that no one but the adoptive parents knew that the children were adopted, unless they chose to tell the child when the child was ready to hear it.

But with homosexuals, the "natural issue" of two same sex parents is "NO ISSUE". A man & a man can't produce their own natural children, and a woman & a woman can't produce their own natural children. So that in cases like these, it's obvious to everyone from day one that the child is adopted or produced via insemination. The kid has to know that too early, before he or she may be ready to hear it. Further, it gets really complicated in the courts when the kid is now made into a political football and not only do his/her friends know it, the world knows it and expects him or her to have opinions about it.

If we think heterosexual divorces are ugly, just wait till the courts start dealing with large numbers of homosexual couples. Right now, it's a handful, with one & two cases like this. It's likely to get far worse.

And before we start going on about how the lesbian should lose custody, we also have to take into account that she is still one of the only two parents that this child has ever known. There is a bond there whether we like it or not.

10 posted on 05/22/2009 9:49:48 AM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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If Ryan would have been artificially inseminated while living with a man and now married someone else... the first guy would be history as far as visitation is concerned. He might be forced to pay child support for 21 years, no matter what... but I really believe that the courts would give the kid to the birth mother and drop the non biological father in a heartbeat.


11 posted on 05/22/2009 9:54:31 AM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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Liberty Counsel just doesn’t lose cases. They will prevail on appeal to the FL SC or the USSC.


15 posted on 05/22/2009 10:10:06 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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I think the real problem here is that Florida, which for a number of years now has had a Republican controlled legislature and a GOP governor, has still put liberals in top judicial positions throughout the state.

Knowing the Florida Supreme Court....Ryan and Liberty Counsel have a decided disadvantage....the Florida Supreme Court is very left...and that has not changed with Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist in the Governor’s mansion. Never forget Gore v Bush 2000 fiasco...the court pretty much is still the same make-up

This is nothing new. During the Terri Schiavo case, few people were reporting (and willing to accept) that many of the people who were working against...and ruling against...the Schindler family were Republicans....the judge who made the final decision to kill Terri....the GOP state legislators who pushed legislation that made it easier to kill Terri...were Republicans.

Florida may be a state dominated by the GOP....but they surely are not conservative. This is a major problem...and why you see Florida continually moving left


16 posted on 05/22/2009 11:26:09 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (The Biggest Threat To American Soverignty Is Rampant Economic Anti-Americanism)
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