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President Thomas Jefferson Government/Societal Beliefs.
self ^ | 5/4/09 | A Navy Vet

Posted on 05/04/2009 3:14:15 PM PDT by A Navy Vet

President Thomas Jefferson's own words (the right-wing extremist that he was!):

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."

"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state."

"I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive."

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Reference
KEYWORDS: foundingfathers; presidents; quotes; thomasjefferson
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1 posted on 05/04/2009 3:14:15 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet
I'm currently reading Dumont Malone's six volume biography of Jefferson. Very thorough but good so far.
2 posted on 05/04/2009 3:16:27 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: A Navy Vet; Neil E. Wright; Jim Robinson; Bob J

FYI


3 posted on 05/04/2009 3:17:42 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Yet if Jefferson were alive today, we would have Freepers bashing him as a neo-con and a RINO for sending the Marines to Tripoli to defeat Islamic Pirates and going against his ideological beliefs buy spending Govt $$$ to buy the Louisiana Purchase and send out Louis and Clark to expore it.


4 posted on 05/04/2009 3:27:58 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: WOSG

My personal favorite in the Founding Fathers. Several of my tea party signs bore his quotes......


5 posted on 05/04/2009 3:31:34 PM PDT by wombtotomb ( ITS NOT ABOUT RIGHT VERSUS LEFT, ITS ABOUT RIGHT VERSES WRONG!)
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To: A Navy Vet; Neil E. Wright; Jim Robinson; Bob J
Once again boys and girls:

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
President and Founding Father: Mr. Thomas Jefferson.;

Please tell me how that NO longer applies to our societal compact. You're witnessing such a "government gaining ground" as I write this.

6 posted on 05/04/2009 3:32:25 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: WOSG

I respectfully doubt your premise.


7 posted on 05/04/2009 3:33:26 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Should we consider asking our churches to redefine our vows (Covenant)if the continuation of same-sex marriage continues to take over our country?

I do not want to be in a union, which defiles my God!
Should we start having Covenant Ceremonies? Just wondering.

IF MARRIAGE IS TAKEN OVER BY OUR JUDGES...I DONT WANT ANY PART OF IT. IT IS A COVENANT BEFORE GOD.

8 posted on 05/04/2009 3:35:59 PM PDT by Texas4ever (God is Good!)
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To: mainepatsfan

Please give me the title of the book. Thank you.


9 posted on 05/04/2009 3:35:59 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Some of my favorites.

Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that
God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826),
Notes on the State of Virginia -
denouncing the evils of slavery

The Price Of Freedom Is Eternal Vigilance.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)

We never regret having eaten too little.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
I predict future happiness for Americans if they
can prevent the government from wasting the labors
of the people under the pretense of taking care of
them.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826),
letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give to those
who would not.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)

There is nothing more unequal, than the equal
treatment of unequal people.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
My only fear is that I may live too long.
This would be a subject of dread to me.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826), 1801
Democracy is 51% of the people taking away the
rights of the other 49%.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 182


10 posted on 05/04/2009 3:41:58 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Texas4ever

Why are you bringing this up on this thread? As much as I may agree with some of your thoughts, the topic is about Constitutionalism (ideology - not theology). Take it elsewhere...


11 posted on 05/04/2009 3:44:36 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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Good stuff. Thank you.

...and God Bless Texas. I would have moved there years ago if it weren't for my wife's obligation to her aging parents. I live in California.

12 posted on 05/04/2009 3:47:19 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To get your attention...This is part of the Constitution...the Supreme Court judge Obama wished to support, thinks judges make the laws!!!! Constitutional...NO!...AND NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT.


13 posted on 05/04/2009 3:47:29 PM PDT by Texas4ever (God is Good!)
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To: WOSG

They might also mention he charged his Vice President with treason after the latter (Aaron Burr) took him up on his advice.


14 posted on 05/04/2009 3:51:30 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: Peanut Gallery

ping


15 posted on 05/04/2009 3:55:54 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Naturalized Texan)
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To: A Navy Vet

everyone should send each of our congressman and our most high leader a copy of this.
and dont forget your state and local government while you are at it.


16 posted on 05/04/2009 3:55:57 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: A Navy Vet

Below is from George Washington’s Farewell Address!

Warns against the party system.
It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble
the Public Administration..agitates the Community with
ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the
animosity of one..against another..
it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption.
thus the policy and the will of one country are
subjected to the policy and will of another.”

Stresses the importance of religion and morality.
“Where is the security for property, for reputation,
for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert
the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation
in Courts of Justice?”

On stable public credit.
“...cherish public credit.
One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly
as possible.. avoiding likewise the accumulation of
debt.. it is essential that you...bear in mind, that
towards the payments of debts there must be Revenue,
that to have Revenue there must be taxes;
that no taxes can be devised, which are not..
.inconvenient and unpleasant...”

Warns against permanent foreign alliances.
“It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent
alliances with any portion of the foreign world...”


17 posted on 05/04/2009 4:00:25 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Texas4ever
Get a grip or get a large coffee.

I'm getting so tired of you fundamentalist types interjecting your "beliefs" in what should be a debate about socialist vs. conservative societal compact. People like you give ammunition to the other side. I wouldn't be surprised to see your post pop up on some liberal forum to make their point.

Take your stuff to the religion forum on this board if you have nothing to offer about liberty, and fighting for it.

18 posted on 05/04/2009 4:02:20 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: Texas4ever
"To get your attention...This is part of the Constitution...the Supreme Court judge Obama wished to support, thinks judges make the laws!!!! Constitutional...NO!...AND NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT."

In case you haven't been paying attention, Souter is a leftist SC justice. I doubt that obami can "install" anyone more left. Get a frigging grip. The only one we have to worry about is Kennedy, who is often the swing vote.

So now you want to talk about the topic and not your religious perspective? Okay, let's talk.

19 posted on 05/04/2009 4:08:59 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet

The title of the series is “Jefferson and his times”.


20 posted on 05/04/2009 4:15:36 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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