Posted on 04/13/2009 11:39:11 AM PDT by TaraP
A former engineer at the top secret airfield "Area 51" in Nevada has spoken out about UFO sightings in the region in the 1960s, saying the witnessed flashes of light were part of top secret US aircraft experiments.
In an interview with ABC News, Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, a former special-projects engineer at Area 51 said: "No one really knew we existed. Even our wives didn't know where we were going when we left Monday morning and came back Friday evening."
Barnes was an electronics engineer for NASA who also specialised in advance radar and Soviet MiG fighter aircraft and was asked to join a team of CIA experts who would work on secret military projects at the infamous base.
UFO folklore has it that Area 51, about 80 miles north northwest of Las Vegas, is where captured aliens and their spacecraft have been stored by the US military. The conspiracy theory comes in part because of the preponderance of strange, unaccounted for lights that have been seen in the region of the top secret military base.
However Barnes poured cold water on the theory saying the "alien spaceships" were in fact light flashes from top secret spy planes being flown at 2,000 miles per hour at altitudes of 90,000 feet.
The experimental planes produced light flashes that some interpreted as alien spaceships and this was considered helpful by the team in covering their activities.
"We considered it to be a bonus," said Barnes. "They made it easier to conceal what we were doing."
However some ufologists have said the area has only been partly declassified and UFO work at the base may well have carried out though in a region unknown to engineers such as Barnes.
"Those guys who came forward may very well be telling the truth, with the caveat that they wouldn't know if there was something going on," said Stanton T. Friedman, a nuclear physicist, lecturer and top UFO researcher.
Friedman added that evidence coming out of places such as Area 51 proved how much was going on in the country without peoples' knowledge.
"National security has a real place in all of this stuff. There is no way to tell your friends without telling your enemies," he said. "A lot of Americans woke up to the fact that there's a lot going on that they don't get told about."
Anything is possible, although the only thing we have concrete evidence for are hoaxes.
I’m a great lover of CAPS and colors and bold . . .
I gather you’ve noticed?
How nice. Nice of you to notice. Thanks.
Insults?
Depends. I do TRY HARD to speak the birth language of the naysayers.
Love it.
Your assertions are utterly
—untrue to the history;
—untrue to the investigations;
—untrue to the evidence;
—untrue to the state of all that currently;
—untrue to even basic logic about the basic facts of the case.
But hey—it’s quite a gift for naysayers to continually make utterly foolish assertions thoroughly ungrounded in fact or logic.
Some of us appreciate it.
Exactly
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
gwarsh
{bows}
From Ezekiel....
And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
5Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
6And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
7And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
8And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.
9Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.
10As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.
11Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.
12And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.
13As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
14And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
16The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
22And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
23And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
24And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.
25And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
26And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
27And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
OF COURSE
all 3 exist.
I knew Jr High kids who knew that.
Oh, Right . . . naysayers haven’t reached that level of consciousness and evidence analysis yet.
My error.
I trust you are OK.
You seem to be missing all the fun and absurdities today.
Wrong.
There’s concrete evidence in over 4,000 trace landing cases.
And, there’s concrete evidence in a list of other cases as well.
Read THE MESSAGE version.
I still say Ezekiel was describing a technological vehicle. who knows about the “creatures” therein.
Wrong, extremely similar to identical vehicles to modern ones have been seen in the skies for centuries, if not thousands of years.
That’s OK. We’re used to naysayers being ignorant of the facts.
Of course in noticing all your caps and colors I also notice that your posts tends towards the unreadable. You use VOLUME AND...
SHOW...
where you should be using facts and logic.
And there you go with that lame cop out excuse again. If you’re going to claim to be the fact based side of the argument and accuse others of poor logic it just doesn’t carry water to use insults with it. The need to use ad hominems demonstrates a lack of confidence in your facts. And if you have no confidence in your facts I have no reason to pay attention to them.
Now now . . .
Let’s not get too excited . . .
Naysayers can only wrap their minds around
ONE SIDE of
“anything’s possible.”
Their craniums start to crack and leak if they try wrapping their synapses around BOTH sides of “anything’s possible.”
I want to know what was “proven beyond reasonable doubt” at Rendlesham Forest. I want the conclusion that was “proven”; put up or shut up.
Evidence of WHAT exactly?
where you should be using facts and logic.
I have a hard time thinking of ANYTHING MORE IRRATIONAL, silly and utterly futile foolish than trying to use FACTS AND LOGIC with naysayers on a UFO thread.
But it is HILARIOUS to contemplate.
Do naysayers get training to be straight folks for stand-up comics?
Ahh yes, the favorite dodge of the flim flam poster. “I can’t be bothered to use facts because you won’t read them anyway”.
You’re a 3 card monte dealer. Lots of style, lots of showmanship, and money card isn’t even on the table.
There’s nothing comedic about expecting facts. There is something comedic about a guy refusing to bring them and insisting it’s because everybody else is an idiot. Unfortunately it’s that kind of sad funny.
Rendlesham Forest has been documented hereon at least a time or three. And, it’s well available on the net.
Enjoy your foolish perspective as you will. I have no huge need to try and make horses drink or teach pigs to sing.
Of the truth and facts of such phenomena.
I forgot that was such a huge leap of perceptiveness for some.
Actually, Travis,
I think YOU might just possibly be brighter about such things than that post would imply.
Or have you just failed to examine all the evidence?
Or did you forget to turn your anemic fair-mindedness module on when you were reading such things?
has been debunked with a 100% perfect record.
UTTER BALDERDASH, UNMITIGATED NONSENSE.
And here I’d thought better of you.
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