Posted on 04/04/2009 1:47:03 AM PDT by gondramB
I'd like to ask. I promise I don't mean this in an unkind way. I would really like to know.
Suppose the Freepers who believe that humans were created in their current form by God (whether 6,000 years ago or much longer)....
Suppose you became convinced that instead man had developed from lower organisms over billions of years.
Would that have to change any other core beliefs - that God directed man, The God came to Abraham and chose his children; that God sent us His son, that we are to follow the teachings of Jesus - particularly that we are to love the lord and love each other and ask forgiveness in his Son's name when we do wrong?
And so I'd like to ask and to understand.
Your response is one of those I would value.
Ultimately I say yes.
I guess for each individual the answer depends on where they are at that time.
“I’d like to ask. I promise I don’t mean this in an unkind way. I would really like to know.”
You go first — When you know you are just one or two heart beats away from the end of your life and you are taking your last breaths, and you know the end is near — Who are you praying to, “an organism or to God?”
I would suggest that you really look at what is presented as evidence once again. And along with that a study of the men who presented the so called evidence.
First of all the core belief that the earth was created 6000 years ago is totally erroneous. The SECOND EARTH AGE was RECREATED 6000 years ago. The first earth age was millions of years old as Science has proved. It was destroyed at Satan’s rebellion by a flood which was universal. Man was created on the 6th day and Adam and Eve were created on the 8th day. Take your brains out of the Christian box and read the Scriptures and THINK!!!
The problem with that theory is: If you are a believer of God and Jesus Christ, evolution would nullify some KEY points of the Bible.
The Bible says that death came into the world through Adam’s sin. If Adam evolved, death would have to have occurred already. -Which nullifies the sin issue making Jesus’ death on the cross as atonement for sin useless.
This is one reason the evolutionists strive SO hard to convince us. If evolution is the truth, then the Bible is false.
>>You go first — When you know you are just one or two heart beats away from the end of your life and you are taking your last breaths, and you know the end is near — Who are you praying to, “an organism or to God?”<<
I don’t mind going first.
I am blessed to have had a personal experience with God and while I have many problems in life doubt about God is not one of them.
What I am trying to ask in this vanity is that for people who think that man was first on this planet in his current form - would it really change anything if it turned out that biologically he had come from lower life forms? Wouldn’t God still be God with the same love and wouldn’t man still have the same goals?
>>Ultimately I say yes.
I guess for each individual the answer depends on where they are at that time.<<
I do think I know what you mean by “where they are at that time” I know God came to me at the very moment I was open.
And in the end that is their crusade
I’ve never had a problem with it either way. I don’t believe in the young Earth theory but I also do not believe in neo-atheist interpretation of evolution nor in many of the nonscientific and nearly wholly made of stories that some craft around remnants of bone. Science does not need to be in conflict with religion. It wasn’t for Newton, Galileo, Copernicus and many others. Many like to cast the debate involving the particulars of evolution and creation in simpleton terms. I think that Science benefits from debate. It spurs a challenge to those who are convinced they have the right hypothesis and that is always a good thing because history shows that conventional wisdom whether scientific or not is very often wrong.
>>Suppose you became convinced that instead man had developed from lower organisms over billions of years
I meant it as a hypothetical - suppose that in the future some evidence was unearthed that convinced you that man had in fact developed rather than been created as is.
>>First of all the core belief that the earth was created 6000 years ago is totally erroneous. The SECOND EARTH AGE was RECREATED 6000 years ago. The first earth age was millions of years old as Science has proved. It was destroyed at Satan’s rebellion by a flood which was universal. Man was created on the 6th day and Adam and Eve were created on the 8th day. Take your brains out of the Christian box and read the Scriptures and THINK!!!<<
I wasn’t trying to settle the actual age in this vanity but to ask a hypothetical question. In other threads I enjoy talking about the actual science.
Well, IMO, you are the person that can answer that question for yourself. Faith is very personal.
>>The problem with that theory is: If you are a believer of God and Jesus Christ, evolution would nullify some KEY points of the Bible.
The Bible says that death came into the world through Adam’s sin. If Adam evolved, death would have to have occurred already. -Which nullifies the sin issue making Jesus’ death on the cross as atonement for sin useless.
This is one reason the evolutionists strive SO hard to convince us. If evolution is the truth, then the Bible is false.<<
Agreed that this hypothetical would mean the creation story would have to be a parable or God’s way of explaining to early people who did not yet have modern math and science.
I’m wondering if that would have to invalidate all else or could creationists keep their core belief in the God of Abraham and his Son.
>>Science does not need to be in conflict with religion.<<
I’d go so far to say that since I know God is real and that science is what we can observe and learn that that when they appear to be in conflict it is likely because there is something we have not figured out yet.
>>Well, IMO, you are the person that can answer that question for yourself. Faith is very personal.<<
For myself, yes I can answer. And faith if personal. I certainly am not going press anyone who doesn’t want to answer. But if Freepers who believe in creation of man as-is are willing to share then I would like to listen.
“But if Freepers who believe in creation of man as-is are willing to share then I would like to listen.”
Why?
“Suppose you became convinced that instead man had developed from lower organisms over billions of years”
First of all I would suggest you at least review the creationist evidence. The vast majority of people have not, enthralled by what the left-lib media / education establishment has told them. It is NOT as one-way as you have been led to believe. I have a science degree and am working on my 2nd.
Second I don’t think it’s helpful to think of it in that way. Some people like to set up the credibility of the Bible based on this or that, and I don’t think we’re told that’s a good thing to do.
The most important thing to know is that evolution is a doctrine, with no evidence, a belief of a religion that has various guises and is often referred to as “humanism”.
But that’s far from the only issue for most people who don’t believe in creation. The Bible says people lived to be ~900 years before the flood. This is not our experience today, and so most people who don’t believe in creation also say that’s not true. But somehow they forget that before the flood there were elk with a 16ft antler span, there were wooly rhinos, 16ft long turtles, 80ft sharks, reptiles that lived for hundreds of years and never stopped growing just like their cousins today, so got huge. There are many skeletons of 12ft tall people found. This is also outside our experience, and we would consider crazy unless we had actually dug up the fossils & seen them. So these things that you consider impossible are not as impossible as you think. Our world is very samey and unchanging today. It was not always that way.
As a science student, I can understand your question. All I can say is dig deeper. Take an anatomy class and try to figure out how humans evolved (you can audit the class for free). It is statistically unfathomable. Just take the immune system and look deeply into it, mathematically, there aren’t enough years. The x chromosome that no one can live without, how did that happen? Dig deeply and you will find the hand of God.
I do not believe in evolution. Here on FR, you will find rabid evolutionists pushing their Nietzsche/ Darwin beliefs like a drug. This started with the Garden of Eden and the apple. The desire to know things and be like God. I am not saying you should not thirst for knowledge, but I am saying to avoid the temptation to think your knowledge base has outgrown God. Praying for your guidance.
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