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More GE (IMPORTANT) (CDS: out-of-control wrecking ball?)
Market Ticker ^ | 03/05/09 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 03/06/2009 3:20:17 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

More GE (IMPORTANT)

Off the wires, no link.

"DJ reports GE Capital credit default swaps worsen even as GE released a statement emphasizing its strong cash position. The CDS are most recently quoted at 17.5 points up front, from 16.5 points up front earlier today, according to Phoenix Partners Group. That means investors must pay $1.75 mln up front, plus a $500,000 annual fee, to protect $10 mln of GECC senior bonds against default for five years."

That means the first year cost is $1.75 + $500k, or $2.25 million.

That's 22.5% first year cost to insure $10 million against default!

This means that the market is saying that the odds of GE going bankrupt within the next twelve months is greater than one in five, and that assumes zero recovery.

If the bonds would recover more than 80% in the event of a default then it is implying more than a 100% risk of default, which is obviously impossible.

This is occurring despite GE's CFO appearing this morning on CNBC making the case quite clearly that there is no risk of default under any materially possible scenario. In other words, his assertion is that the odds of default are zero.

One of two things must be true:

1. GE's CFO is lying and must be indicted for doing so. 2. This so-called "market segment" (CDS) has become so ridiculously overlevered, unsupervised and able to cause failures that it is now within days or even hours of CAUSING GE to fail - not due to GE's own internal problems, but due to positive feedback that the CDS market is capable of and is generating on the initiative and as a consequence of the action of participants in that market.

Either way a major change needs to occur right here and now, lest we find ourselves with no pensions, no Social Security, no Medicare, no annuities and no government.

THIS CAN NO LONGER BE DELAYED OR TOYED AROUND WITH; WHEN "THE BEZZLE" REACHES THE POINT THAT IT STARTS DESTROYING THE NATIONAL CORPORATE INDUSTRIAL GIANTS THAT MAKE UP OUR ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE, MILITARY AND COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY EMERGENCY AND MUST BE DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: cds; default; ge; gloomdoom; mark2zero
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

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21 posted on 03/06/2009 12:44:41 PM PST by razorback-bert (Will trade sex for ammo)
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To: razorback-bert

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/business/28melt.html?_r=4&ref=business&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


22 posted on 03/06/2009 12:48:06 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

Thanks Petronski!


23 posted on 03/06/2009 12:51:04 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: razorback-bert

Easier to read version:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/business/28melt.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=business&pagewanted=print


24 posted on 03/06/2009 12:55:39 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

More on this topic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2200933/posts
Are AIG’s Counterparties Being Protected Because They’re Foreign? (AIG)


25 posted on 03/06/2009 1:19:49 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Thanks... Gretchen Morgenson of the NY Times has been doing a great post mortem on Wall Street’s wild years

Of course the NY Times was silent while their thievery was going on


26 posted on 03/06/2009 1:54:13 PM PST by dennisw (Archimedes--- Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum to place it, and I shall move the Earth)
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