Posted on 02/13/2009 12:21:59 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
All the Republicans are just a bunch of RINOS and I’m never gonna vote for any of them against and I’m gonna vote third party instead and let the Democrats win every election and trash the country because I felt like throwing a little temper tantrum and hissy fit instead of getting behind Republican conservatives to....
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....take back the country for the conservatism that I say I believe in but show that I don’t because I’m an idiot who would rather navel gaze and pick my nose and gripe about the RINOs instead of doing something to get rid of them and replace them with solid conservatives because actually....
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....doing something but gripe and piss and moan would require me to get off my duff and invest some time and effort and maybe even money so I’m not gonna do it but will instead just destroy everyone else’s morale by being a lame-o loser who would rather whine about how the Republicans....
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....are all a bunch of RINOs and I’m never gonna vote for them instead of helping to retake the Party for conservatism and the country for conservatism and if you don’t like it that I’m going to vote Liberaltarian or Constitution or some other loser third party....
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....that doesn’t have a frog’s eye chance of winning then you’re just a sheeple who is also probably a liberal or a RINO too since you obviously don’t share my skewed whacked out idea of principles which allow me to sit around and do nothing but gripe and complain and let the Democrats win every election.
/whew
Okay....let me get all Socratic on you, then.
Why do you think that I'm saying that it's "okay to vote for the lesser of two evils", when the whole point of my argument - as I've REPEATEDLY stated it in this thread, AND stated in my initial post - was that conservatives need to get serious about tossing the RINOs out on their ears, but that we can't do that if half of us whine, pick our noses, and take our balls and go home.
Get it?
If I seem like I'm making ad hominem arguments, that's probably because that's what it takes to get through some of the thick skulls around here.
My whole point is that we shouldn't have to vote for the lesser of two evils, because we could get rid of the RINOs. BUT, we can't do that if we don't get together and get behind conservative Republicans in the primaries and in the Party. My points here are that:
1) So-called "conservatives" who would rather pout and loudly proclaim that "they ain't ever votin' Republican agin'!" instead of helping to swing the GOP back to conservative control - these people are not really conservatives. They are fifth columnists, they are traitors helping the enemy, they are lazy whiners who aren't willing to do what it takes to see conservatism triumphant.
2) Going third party is a complete waste of time. If they were going to be successful, they already would have been. Splitting our votes with the Constitution Party, Libertarians, and whatever other odd little pissant parties are out there does nothing but elect Democrats.
3) So-called "conservatives" who complain about RINOs, but who then stomp off and leave, have no reason to complain. All they do is enable the RINOs and liberals, and thus are really the cause of the problem they're complaining about. Fewer conservatives staking a claim to the GOP means the moderates and RINOs have commensurately more power. And vice versa.
Get it yet?
“How about a decent candidate? How about a decent primary where only Republicans can vote for Republicans? How about leadership that has a set of core values?
Flame away, but I voted for McCain because I fell for the same load of crud. I am not doing it again. Give me someone to vote FOR, not against.”
Yep, it would have been great to have a decent candidate. I don’t disagree with you at all on your main points. I voted for McCain because he was the only other real alternative on the ticket. I studied up on Obama and knew that he was the last thing this country needed and I also believe that he is downright dangerous.
If I had to vote all over again, with the same two choices we had, I’d still vote for McCain. If more people had felt that way, maybe, just maybe, Obama wouldn’t have won and we wouldn’t be on the fast train to socialism and just maybe we’d still feel an ounce of security in the WOT.
Now that does not mean that I wanted McCain to be our candidate. I didn’t. There’s a lot of things I don’t like about the man, and a few things I respect about the man, but he was the best choice out of the choices we were given.
But from where I sit, and from what I read during the primaries was that even us Conservatives couldn’t come together. Everyone split up into groups and everyone claimed that their candidate was the most pure conservative and then went about smearing other conservative candidates.
We were so busy fighting amongst ourselves that NONE of the best of our potential candidates won. One cannot win the battle if the troops are fighting each other instead of the enemy.
My aren`t we lucky to have such an intellectual in our humble midst,perhaps you should drop the pretense and just say what you mean because you seem like the kind of person that likes to stir the pot for sh*ts and giggles and with such a touchy issue,you`ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar.BTW,try reading my posts before you jump to conclusions because I never said I consider myself a Republican,but I didn`t say I wouldn`t or have not voted for them,just never again a lesser of two evils.I`m one of the MANY who held their noses and voted for John McLame.
Sorry, but I'm all outta honey. I'm sick and tired of so-called "conservatives" who refuse to work together with other conservatives to get conservatives elected. I'm beginning to think those people are "traitors", not "conservatives".
It is sad, but not unusual, that some people simply cannot comprehend your point. Life’s too short for wasting time on short-minded people, don’t ya think?
It’s none of my business what you do with your time, but if I was you, I’d stop responding to some of ‘em. Seems to me they are deliberately missing the point, but I could be wrong, they just may be that dense.
What elitist attitude? That conservatives who don't help out conservatism don't deserve to be called conservatives?
It’s none of my business what you do with your time, but if I was you, I’d stop responding to some of ‘em. Seems to me they are deliberately missing the point, but I could be wrong, they just may be that dense.
You know, you're probably right. There seem to be a lot of people even here on FR who are infected with a serious case of the stupids. I'm not going to waste time with them anymore. Chances are, they've not been voting GOP all along anywise, so we have always stood or fallen without them anywise. No sense in wasting time on fake conservatives who want to help the Democrats get elected and push their program.
“You know, you’re probably right. There seem to be a lot of people even here on FR who are infected with a serious case of the stupids. I’m not going to waste time with them anymore. Chances are, they’ve not been voting GOP all along anywise, so we have always stood or fallen without them anywise. No sense in wasting time on fake conservatives who want to help the Democrats get elected and push their program.”
It’s a sad state of affairs, that’s for sure. Some are probably not conservatives at all but others are probably just so dang sure that they are the only true conservatives that they’ll never be satisfied unless their chosen “One” is the candidate. Sort of like the ubber-liberals only they’re on the other end of the spectrum.
Our country is in a world of hurt and it’s only going to get a hell of a lot worse now that Obama is president and the Dem’s are in control. Conservatives fighting conservatives wasn’t a winning strategy afterall. Voting third party or sitting out this presidential election was like committing murder/suicide, in my humble opinion.
“How about a decent candidate? How about a decent primary where only Republicans can vote for Republicans? How about leadership that has a set of core values?
Flame away, but I voted for McCain because I fell for the same load of crud. I am not doing it again. Give me someone to vote FOR, not against.”
My thought exactly.
I am very happy that I and people like me have gotten under your skin so bad that you felt that you had to manufacture a vanity post to further insult and ridicule us.
Now that you are done hyperventilating, figure out how you’re going to build a working coalition with principled conservatives again, Mr. Roll-up-you-sleeves-and-do-something Republican.
Here’s a hint: what you’re doing right now isn’t going to cut it. If you’re going to keep running down that road, you can go **** yourself.
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