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Police Kill Family Dog During Raid (yet another isolated incident)
ABC News ^ | 2/7/09 | Jeff Hager

Posted on 02/07/2009 3:04:18 PM PST by ellery

"They hit the door right here and the door flew open," says Mike Hasenei, standing outside his Elkridge home.

His wife, Phyllis, was watching television with her 12-year old daughter when members of the Howard County Police Tactical Team came through the door.

"They had guns pointed at us. You have 25 guys coming in here all dressed in black and all that we saw were their eyes, and they're screaming 'Hands in the air!'"

Members of the team were acting upon a tip that an assault rifle, magazines and hollow-point bullets stolen from a marked police car the night before may be located inside.

Adding insult to injury, when the search led police to a back bedroom where they encountered the family’s dog, they opened fire.

Officers found no evidence of the stolen goods after ransacking the house.

At this point a complaint has been logged against the department, but Howard County Police aren't about to admit they were wrong or to apologize for their actions.

"No. We didn't find a weapon in this particular case,” said Sherry Llewellyn, a spokeswoman for the department, “but that doesn't mean that there wasn't good information that there were weapons there before we had a chance to get inside the house."

Now, Mike Hasenei is waiting on an Internal Affairs investigation into the raid before deciding whether he and his family will take the department to court.

"I'm not gonna sit down and let people walk all over me and say 'sorry' and walk out of my house."


TOPICS: Local News
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To: All

I’ve experienced enough of this manical terrorist defending. My PS3 is calling for some “Call of Duty.”

Goodnite all.


221 posted on 02/07/2009 9:50:08 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner

“My answer is it doesn’t happen to the true innocents...”

You forgot three little words at the end, “that I know.” I know you’re really into this conspiracy thing and all, but don’t try to change my words to make your point.


222 posted on 02/07/2009 9:52:47 PM PST by November Gale (Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?)
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To: Gondring
You can’t say, “don’t worry about dodging bullets, cuz writing up the report will be safe.” You have to realize that the approach being used for these entries is developed for protection against ambush, not for donuts.

Donuts. Well, that's something they might know a little bit about.

There have been all kinds of rationalizations for why these cops feel the need to dress up like paramilitaries and hide their faces like common criminals when they are punping adrenaline on one of these "dynamic entries" (hell of a euphamism they have there). The fact is that the vast majority of these raids is completely unnecessary. If they think the person is dangerous, a little actual police work will determine when the person can be approached in a civilized manner to serve a warrant. i.e., when they are leaving the house for work/the grocery store/or whatever. The old canard of them being made to prevent folks from flushing drugs is completely bogus as well, as there are multiple ways to set up trapsin the sewer system to prevent same. That also discounts the fact that if the amount of drugs on hand is small enough to flush, they aren't very big fry in any case.

The reason I posed the stats is because I object to using a claim of how "dangerous" their line of work is, when it in fact really isn't very dangerous at all, especially if you subtract "line of duty" deaths that are essentially accidents when they are acting as tax collectors via a traffic stop. No one made them take the job. If they aren't up to acting like civilized members of society, perhaps they should find another like of work that's not quite so "dangerous".

Police can perform a valuable function when they're not endangering people by trying to play as military wannabes. The trouble is, all too often they are acting as tax collectors for the welfare state rather than people with a mission "to protect and to serve".


223 posted on 02/07/2009 9:53:14 PM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: November Gale
Okay, now there’s a point that I agree with you on. No agency should be investigated by “their own.”

Ya see, I'm a pretty reasonable guy...Not to mention totally pro-law enforcement, as long as it's conducted in a professional manner, within the Constitution.

And yes, government agencies investigating themselves is a major conflict of interest and needs to stop.

224 posted on 02/07/2009 9:54:48 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: divine_moment_of_facts; Ken H
I had to join the beautiful border collie photo posts. Here's my Rocky, a rescue-and-rehabilitation from a local shelter:

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Sadly, we lost him last year to aging and liver disease. I suppose I should be thankful he died of natural causes rather than in a hail of bullets in our own home. :(

225 posted on 02/07/2009 10:00:29 PM PST by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: takenoprisoner

Good night, FRiend, and have fun. :)


226 posted on 02/07/2009 10:01:10 PM PST by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

I take my girl to a local sheep ranch that allows BC’s to herd ... they also teach other breeds to herd. I’ve seen Basset hounds in the padock herding sheep into a corner ... Corgies too ... it’s a blast to see them ....


227 posted on 02/07/2009 10:05:51 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: ellery; divine_moment_of_facts; Ken H

I’m ready to get a nice dog and a couple of border collies may fit the bill. I need to get my fences built though. (I never had room for them in the past).


228 posted on 02/07/2009 10:06:52 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: ellery
I'm so sorry for your loss, Ellery. :( Rocky looks like he was a sweet boy.. so handsome. My Benny is a rescue also.. He is 15 now and has muscle degeneration in his hind legs, but is doing well.

And yes, thank God when our beloved pets can leave this Earth in a peaceful way. I can't begin to imagine the emotional pain of having a swat team storm your home and murder your innocent dog. What a nightmare.
229 posted on 02/07/2009 10:12:17 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: ellery

It infuriates me... and it is a sign of deep problems in every corner of our country.


230 posted on 02/07/2009 10:18:05 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: SkyDancer
I’ve seen Basset hounds in the padock herding sheep into a corner ... Corgies too ... it’s a blast to see them ....

That is too cute! They do have an advantage being so close to the ground.
231 posted on 02/07/2009 10:19:33 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: November Gale

If you took the time to do any real investigative homework you would know a mayor in the same area had HIS home invaded in the same manner, same false information, SWAT wouldn’t listen, etc... AND they hunted down and shot both of his labrador retrievers.... so save us your holier than thou attitude here, fact is something stinks in the state of Maryland, this is the third such incident in the last year.


232 posted on 02/07/2009 10:20:26 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: TankerKC
Oh? Why? Because I want facts?
I think you getting to call me a disgrace is getting to be a badge of honor.
As the last thread you didn't like me on, what was it? Bootlicker you called me?

Are you the Medea Benjamin of FR Code Orange?

233 posted on 02/07/2009 10:22:18 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: dragnet2

Sort of like the WH deciding to do their own Census, isn’t it? You get the result you want and not necessarily the right result.


234 posted on 02/07/2009 10:22:30 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: ellery
Another fine looking guy who's now in dog heaven.
235 posted on 02/07/2009 10:23:22 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Well facts were what I asked for, weren’t they?
I like to use reason in making decisions, not emotions, prejudice and bigotry.
The Code Orange people here can’t stand that.


236 posted on 02/07/2009 10:23:32 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: eyedigress

Just remember they have to have a job of some sort to do... or be prepared to do agility or other activities with it... they are a busy dog and can get into trouble when they are bored.. that brilliant mind has to be utilized.


237 posted on 02/07/2009 10:24:07 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: November Gale

Most cops don’t act this way (Ie Killing the dogs and no knocks with only informant information). There are way too many liability issues and it doesn’t go well for police/community relations. Finally, there could be terminations and criminal charges for the cops involved. The PD’s where this does happen (and it is isolated) need retraining and/or restructuring.

No Knock raids IHMO should happen in only a few cases.

1. Hostage situation/barricaded suspect
2. When you know that there is a dangerous situation for the officers and that evidence will be destroyed after conducting a thorough investigation and studying the property and the suspects on the property, using good police work. The Judge must sign off on the warrant.

In this case, the officers didn’t do a good investigation and were too fast to act.


238 posted on 02/07/2009 10:24:27 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: eyedigress

Awesome.. It’s a true privilege owning a B.C.


239 posted on 02/07/2009 10:24:41 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: randomhero97
OK, so how would you do it?
You are looking for a criminal with stolen weapons, possibly automatic weapons- the article doesn't specify-
Would you stand in the doorway with your hand on the doorbell? What would you leave your widow? The fact this wasn't the case this time doesn't mean you don't plan for it to be the case.
How would you do it?
240 posted on 02/07/2009 10:26:02 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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