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Don’t Call it “Darwinism” [religiously defended as "science" by Godless Darwinists]
springerlink ^ | 16 January 2009 | Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch

Posted on 01/28/2009 11:36:17 AM PST by Coyoteman

We will see and hear the term “Darwinism” a lot during 2009, a year during which scientists, teachers, and others who delight in the accomplishments of modern biology will commemorate the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. But what does “Darwinism” mean? And how is it used? At best, the phrase is ambiguous and misleading about science. At worst, its use echoes a creationist strategy to demonize evolution.

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In summary, then, “Darwinism” is an ambiguous term that impairs communication even about Darwin’s own ideas. It fails to convey the full panoply of modern evolutionary biology accurately, and it fosters the inaccurate perception that the field stagnated for 150 years after Darwin’s day. Moreover, creationists use “Darwinism” to frame evolutionary biology as an ism or ideology, and the public understanding of evolution and science suffers as a result. True, in science, we do not shape our research because of what creationists claim about our subject matter. But when we are in the classroom or otherwise dealing with the public understanding of science, it is entirely appropriate to consider whether what we say may be misunderstood. We cannot expect to change preconceptions if we are not willing to avoid exacerbating them. A first step is eschewing the careless use of “Darwinism.”

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TOPICS: Education; Science
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; intelligentdesign; notasciencetopic; oldearthspeculation; piltdownman; propellerbeanie; spammer; toe
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To: metmom
Gumlegs: No, I’m pointing out that not everyone who believes in God has to be rabidly anti-science.

You need to be telling that to your fellow DCers. They apparently haven't gotten the message yet.

Nor have some of the folks here.

241 posted on 01/28/2009 7:26:38 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Those who presume to speak for Him, however, are another story.

Genesis is not the only book in the Bible, that demonstrates man was put here by God, made by Him.

If you reject this, you reject the Bible.

Christian parents are no longer allowed to raise their children as believers. They are ridiculed in the name of a "science" that has gone where science cannot enlighten, into the theological realm.

This is the source of discord.

242 posted on 01/28/2009 7:28:15 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: tacticalogic
You need me to get mad, and I’m not going to give it to you.

Projection again. You really should see someone about that. I don’t need you to do anything. What you’re doing is just fine. People are watching. Don’t worry. I’ll get tired pretty soon and go to bed. Then you can run over to DC and say “I Won! I Won!.”

243 posted on 01/28/2009 7:28:57 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: Gumlegs
Fallacy of adverse consequences. The Theory of Evolution is an observation of how nature works. If some jackass misuses it and twists it, that in no way affects the validity of the observation or the theory.

No, but that still doesn't do anything for those screwed by the jackass's misuse. See also nuclear proliferation.

The problem is that instead of using creation vs. evolution in class to illustrate the differences between scientific methodology and scholasticism or religious faith, many pro-evos try to eliminate religious discussion altogether, or to curtail it altogether.

The problem is a knotty one, and involves such things as religious pluralism, the so-called "separation of Church ad State", and how one goes about gaining consensus when a society goes from majority Christian to merely plurality Christian; and the possible co-opting of legitimate concerns of scientists, by Gramscians and others, to eliminate the role of Christian faith in public life and consciousness.

If Coyote had simply NOT told another poster to shut up (he started the thread, but does not have that authority), and then hadn't mouthed off in full Matt Damon mode to Jim Robinson, he'd still be here.

Cheers!

244 posted on 01/28/2009 7:29:09 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: NicknamedBob
See my post #244 this thread.

Cheers!

245 posted on 01/28/2009 7:30:44 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: YHAOS

You don’t “ping” someone who’s already here.


246 posted on 01/28/2009 7:32:43 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Elsie
Elsie! Long time no "Elsie"!

Cheers!

247 posted on 01/28/2009 7:32:47 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Please show me where the author of the article quoted in this post is in error. I was under the impression he had some knowledge on the topic at hand and, specifically, of the Bible.

Christian parents are no longer allowed to raise their children as believers.

Oh, please.

248 posted on 01/28/2009 7:34:40 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Do you take their word for it?

Do you agree God was with them?

How does one distinguish from true and false claims that God is with someone?

Cheers!

249 posted on 01/28/2009 7:35:53 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: CE2949BB
"This is about science. Politics has little, if anything, to do with it."

A few years ago I went back to school, after a 20 plus year hiatus.

I was required to pass a number of Science Courses in order to achieve my personal goals.

Perhaps it is limited to Massachusetts, but I can assure you that some Professors are teaching a lot more than just Science out there.

I learned a lot more than just about the Krebs Cycle, or the Golgi Apparatus.

I learned that Ronald Reagan was responsible for the lack of AIDs research funding and that he was personally responsible for the deaths of thousands. A lot more than Science is being promulgated in those liberal enclaves.

What is going on in Colleges & Universities around the nation is an atrocity.

250 posted on 01/28/2009 7:36:13 PM PST by Radix (There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those with loaded guns & those who dig. You dig.)
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To: CFC__VRWC
heliocentrism is considered to be just as much of Satan as the ToE is around here

frothing-at-the-mouth hyperbole placemarker.

Can you give specific quotes from representative freepers that heliocentrism is Satanic?

...and actually, it's not geocentrism that's wrong. It's egocentrism.

(Sorry to bring up Obama in a nice crevo food fight.)

Cheers!

251 posted on 01/28/2009 7:38:23 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: YHAOS

Never been to DC, and there aren’t any winners in a crevo thread, just survivors. All you people watching out there - welcome to FreeRepublic!


252 posted on 01/28/2009 7:39:01 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: CFC__VRWC; metmom

Ummm, you got all ass-backwards, it’s metmom not playing your silly game, besides Einstein, I’ve yet to see you try to reason with coytoeman for his “burnings at the stake”, “inquisition”, and “theocracy” hysterics each and every time your cult was so much as challenged with a sneeze of doubt or dissent.

Get a clue and a grip.


253 posted on 01/28/2009 7:39:35 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: grey_whiskers

My point exactly. It’s easy to say you speak for God or know what God wants.


254 posted on 01/28/2009 7:40:50 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Perhaps, for those looking for words to twist, I should have phrased that as, "It's easy to say you speak for God or say you know what God wants."
255 posted on 01/28/2009 7:42:34 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: CottShop

I understand the banning now now since I perused the entire thread, and of course your post to me.

Personally, I like contention out here. I do not mean disruption for the sake of it, but I appreciate that often times reasonable people will disagree.

I really hope that I never get banned again from FR.com because it is simply my favorite on line place to be.

I tend to lurk more than I post, and I post a lot.

Regards.


256 posted on 01/28/2009 7:42:55 PM PST by Radix (There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those with loaded guns & those who dig. You dig.)
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To: Radix
I learned that Ronald Reagan was responsible for the lack of AIDs research funding and that he was personally responsible for the deaths of thousands. A lot more than Science is being promulgated in those liberal enclaves.

Based on my understanding, which is limited since I was born 1981 and haven't given much attention to HIV/AIDS history, President Reagan did drag his feet on acknowledging HIV/AIDS.

That inaction may have indirectly delayed scientific research (via Federal funding).

However, I wouldn't hold President Reagan personally responsible for any of those deaths. The science - again, based on my limited knowledge of the subject - was still evolving then.

It sounds like the professor in question should have been told to tone down his rhetoric.

257 posted on 01/28/2009 7:43:34 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: tacticalogic; YHAOS; metmom
No problem. Pretty much everybody knows what flame bait and veiled threats look like. I’ll just let the thread speak for itself.

Do you think pretty much everybody is equally capable of recognizing projections when they seem them too?

258 posted on 01/28/2009 7:44:34 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: YHAOS
Looks like you're projecting. But, keep talking.

projecting?

tacticalogic?

Nooooooooooooo....

(next be on the look out for "You're projecting". "I win").

259 posted on 01/28/2009 7:47:22 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

MM, to speak of heliocentric vs. geocentric is to speak of the motion relative to the observer. Does the earth turn beneath the stars or do the stars spin around the earth? Is there a way of finding the answer?

Perhaps one of the “we” of “we wouldn’t cram you into that box” crowd could help out here. They are pretty good at cramming so maybe they’re good at explaining ..........


260 posted on 01/28/2009 7:47:40 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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