Posted on 01/24/2009 10:16:42 PM PST by Domandred
Buying a new house and today while we were over at the new place painting my wife backed our minivan into the next door neighbor's volvo. Great way to meet the new neighbors right?...ouch.
Anyways I was in the passenger seat watching right (wife pulled out left so I never saw the car).
When the police showed up the officer asked me for my driver's license.
I said "Sorry officer, I was a passenger, not driving, you don't need to see my driver's license." Yea she didn't like that.
The officer said "the DMV requires us to enter the driver's licenses of everyone in the vehicle that is involved in a traffic accident. I'll need to see it."
Being that the neighbors (including the guy across the street that wasn't involved at all) were all standing around now watching I decided to not press the issue as our neighbor approval rating is already sub-congress. I handed over my drivers license (reluctantly) and said "you really don't need to see my driver's license, but here it is anyways".
She tried to speak up some more and I said "it's fine you have it already it's done". Yea she didn't talk to me again.
I used to carry an ID on me (not driver's license) for times that I wasn't driving or planing on driving...like when I was planning on drinking, but don't have it anymore.
Now I know without a doubt that since I was not driving I had no legal obligation to produce a driver's license. The question is did I have to legally produce any ID or would name and such have been sufficient?
I seem to remember a supreme court case about this a few years ago.
Absolutely I agree. I am well-compensated and willing to put up with the requirements I mentioned and MUCH MUCH more in order to keep my job and do it well.
All my "complaining", for lack of a better word, was meant to detail the level of security and safety measures that can be taken to protect ourselves and our status quo, if we choose to do so.
I guess what I am leading up to is that the "government" DOES seem to have different standards on them than "we the people". Bounced checks, DUI's, parking violations, sexual harrassment of their employees, prostitution ring from your home condo, etc etc etc... (I bet you have seen the list of felonies that congress / the senate is capable of while remaining in office, or the statistics of what percentages they commit crimes compared to the general public. If not, its worth a look.)
I am a realist and so I rarely go off into a fantasy rant like this one but: this should not be so! hahahaha
If a hourly wage technician has to have an MMPI in order to work in a place with licensed nuclear material then why not the President who could use nuclear weapons? Heck, for that matter, some of our vendors who visit the plant site for a dozen days per year have to have a criminal background check and MMPI (psychological testing). I suppose the crux of all our security is the notion that licensed nuclear material (used fuel rods) could be used somehow by terrorists. NOW THAT IS A FANTASY. It took me quite a while (in spite of the fact that I have to take the MMPI every five years) to come to grips with the idea that a presidential candidate should "be required" to pass that test. It just seems ugh.... urg..... not right. But these days are different. Serial killers and sexual predators and those who kidnap children and make them disappear permanently are not right, too.
I can't imagine people are going to agree with me easily. Besides there are ways around the MMPI. The Lamestreams should have done their job and vetted this man who is MUCH MORE narcissistic and dangerous than Bill could ever be.
Last court decision was that the id of the passenger was not legal for a traffic stop. In the case of an accident your name should have been all that was legally required.
Your link was 2004, supreme court decision was after that date.
I wonder how many police state fanatics on this thread are police officers or spouses of police officers.
Individual police officers are not the problem. They are underpaid. Sheeesh, look how much school teachers make compared to police officers. Teachers make more in my state.
However, the state has turned police officers into tax collectors (for the most part). Then the state will try to make it so you can’t defend yourself. Sit, cower, and wait for the police to arrive so they can fill out the required form after you have been attacked or killed.
If Domandred were black he would have a case for profiling. If Domandred is white he has to just sit there and take it and then hear police state supporters tell him to not do anything that would make a police officer ask him for his ID.
Don’t think it could never happen in America. America’s culture is (was?) different but American’s are not immune from human nature, which tends to control and dominate others.
File a complaint against her. End of problem.
“As for the bootlicker part. I find your mentality no different than Code Pink’s.”
IC, You have got to believe me when I say that it doesn’t surprise me one bit you find redness’s mentality no differnet than Code Pink. I would be surprised if you did.
Bootlickers don’t see a difference. Others might.
See my tagline.
Please.
I live in New Hampshire. In my state, when you are not driving a vehicle, you are required to provide your name and the city of your residence, verbally.
Police cannot require written ID unless they have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that you are doing something illegal. I can’t remember which of the two criteria apply.
The open carry group in Manchester is always having to remind the local police of that requirement.
Brendlin v. California, 06-8120.
“...but American’s are ...”
American’s = Americans.
Sheeeeeesh.
Maybe it was a state law that the licenses of everyone in the vehicle needed to be taken down in case it later turned out the driver and one of the passengers switched seats? Or maybe it simply was because drivers’ licenses are considered to be one of the ‘best’ forms of ID outside of passports, and the officer was supposed to ID everyone as best she could?
Was the vehicle in your name, or your wife’s name? Cause if it was in your name, I could see a whole bunch of legitimate reasons (insurance, making sure it wasn’t stolen, etc) for wanting to establish that the actual owner of the vehicle was a passenger at the time of the crash.
Personally, I carry ID all the time. Usually, it’s just a college ID that I need for standard college ID card stuff, but in case anything happens to me (like a hit-and-run) there’s something with my name and photo on it on my person. If I might be doing banking or using my credit card, or driving, or if I might somehow need to prove my age I carry my permit. And, if I’m going to NYC or DC, I carry my passport because on the off chance that something might happen, I just feel that much better knowing that I’ll be able to prove I’m a US citizen.
I practice in CA so really not sure. Used to practice in VA and DC and they didn’t require it there for the passengers. Am not sure of the state constitutionality of that but it typically wouldn’t be worth testing.
In my native country, the one my parents escaped from, all citizens are required from the age of 5 to have a national identity card, to be produced at any time a jackbooted federal police officer asks for one. Failing to produce it can get you incarcerated and even possibly “suicided”. Not to worry, Obama and his minions are studying other police states to see what they can get away with here.
From some of the comments to you on this thread, I’ll have to say that there are lot more sheeple here at FReepers than there used to be.
In 1998 here in Phoenix, I was a passenger in a friend’s vehicle and we were pulled over by the PHX P.D. for a traffic violation. I didn’t have my license with me at the time. I was issued a citation for not having a valid I.D. in my possession. I left the Phoenix are for a number of years and moved back about 5 yrs. ago. I had completely forgotten about the citation that I had received in ‘98. Last year, in 2008, I applied with a company who performed a background check and they came back and told me that I had an outstanding issue with the Phoenix court and I would need to satisfy that before I could be considered for the job. I had no idea what that issue was...Anyway, It was for the “NO VALID I.D. IN MY POSSESION” citation I had received in ‘98...10 years earlier. The fine had gone up to over $600 dollars, but the judge was kind enough to lower it to $100...So I’ll tell you right now...Here in AZ, if you are merely the passenger in another vehicle and are pulled over by the cops...You are REQUIRED TO CARRY A VALID I.D.!!
I live in AZ. Have all my life.
Then you know that IT’S THE LAW to carry a valid form of I.D. on your person at all times.
Then that really sucks at work then. Because it’s the rule that I don’t bring anything in that I can’t fit on my person. My work pants have no pockets. I have to leave my i.d. in my vehicle.
I guess you are breaking THE LAW then.
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