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NAZI ORDER ERASES OLD OFFICER CASTE; TIES ARMY TO PARTY (1/23/39)
Microfiche-New York Times archives-UC Santa Cruz | 1/23/39 | Otto D. Tolischus

Posted on 01/23/2009 6:26:39 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime
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1 posted on 01/23/2009 6:26:40 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Kinda like the Obaffen SS we have here.


2 posted on 01/23/2009 6:31:24 AM PST by Bertha Fanation
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...converts the army from an unpolitical independent body into a political arm of the National Socialist regime...

Don't even think about it, Barry.

3 posted on 01/23/2009 6:31:24 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Hey Homer, I so appreciate all you post everyday, but I have lost my bookmark file that I had all your posts bookmarked in. Is there a list of all of your releases (even from before I got on your ping list?)

Just curious because I want to burn all this info on to a CD. My friend is becoming curious with all that I am telling her and it is clashing with what she was taught in school (duh).

Thanks! Even if you just have a list of links, I can go to each page and bookmark/download and I will burn it so I don’t lose it this time.


4 posted on 01/23/2009 6:34:58 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I got a chill when I heard Obama complain that the military had too many rural people in it. Clearly he wants this last stronghold of patriotism, honor, and self-sacrifice to be infiltrated and “changed,” just as the Ayers-inspired Leftist “change agents” infiltrated and corrupted the entire education establishment.


5 posted on 01/23/2009 6:48:16 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

It’s sure is scary seeing history repeat itself, and 52% of the people like it this way. Sick, and sad.

Thanks for the ping!


6 posted on 01/23/2009 6:53:10 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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7 posted on 01/23/2009 7:47:51 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

In a way, we suffer from our domesticated and housebroken military. On the plus side, we don’t have to worry about coups, juntas and leadership by “Colonel of the Month.”

On the minus side, our military is like the stormtrooper clones from Star Wars. They will carry out the orders of the civilian political leadership, no matter how bad that leadership is.

We also have a lot of turnover in our military leadership. Many general officers vie for the top spots. Those spots change almost on an annual basis. It does keep the officers from getting too comfy in their commands, and forces older officers into retirement. Not doing this was a serious problem for the French in 1940 as we will discuss next year.

Barry has a lot of potential appointments to make, and he will fill the top command and staff posts with his loyal military bootlickers. This differs from the Prussian General Staff tradition of having the army select its own leadership.

We are much worse off than Germany. Our military has always been under the complete authority of the civilians, both good and bad.

By the way, I still have a problem with hanging Jodl and Keitel at Nuremberg, as well as the trials of all the other generals like von Manstein. For the military, I do believe that “I was following orders” is a lawful defense. It is not the responsibility of the military to select their civilian political leadership, and they are supposed to follow orders.


8 posted on 01/23/2009 8:08:51 AM PST by henkster (When I was young I was told anyone could be President. Now I believe it.)
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Henceforth, the German officer is a soldier first and an officer incidentally. Being an officer is now a job and not a class distinction.

This leveling of rank and class although applied at present only to ex soldiers and inactive officers, is bound to make itself felt in the army as well............. .

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Keep the officer rank but infiltrate it and lower is value in the active army. Level and eliminate the distinction in the retired and active. You really had to think about the implications, lots of deniablity and confusion by the perps. Watch the body, not the hands..........

9 posted on 01/23/2009 8:32:19 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: henkster

I totally agree with you especially with regards to Gen. Jodl who was posthumuosly acquitted in a West German court of all war crimes. Gen. Jodl was a professional military staff officer who was no worse than Admirals Donitz and Raeder who received prison sentences.


10 posted on 01/23/2009 8:38:00 AM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: autumnraine

If you go to my “Link” page in my profile you’ll find I have links to all of this years threads and also the “1938 year in review” thread which has all the 1938 threads in it. That should get you completely up to date.


11 posted on 01/23/2009 1:09:28 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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Not doing this was a serious problem for the French in 1940 as we will discuss next year.

The instant I read that the name Giraud popped into my head. You know your pompus when even de Gaulle can't stand you.

12 posted on 01/23/2009 1:18:12 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

Much of Nuremberg was about revenge (and pandering to the Stalinists), not justice.


13 posted on 01/23/2009 4:48:55 PM PST by PAR35
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I don't see any text in your original and first post, HJS.

Be assured I read every one but sometimes I just get frustrated because I cannot cut and paste from your posted images.

Thank you for your service to history and FR.

14 posted on 01/23/2009 10:05:18 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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I thought the Werhmacht didn’t have to take an oath of personal loyalty to Hitler until AFTER the von staffenburg assasination attempt. Did not the Wehrmacht not have the eagle and swastika on the right breastplate until after the the attempted murder? I thought it was the last state institution to succumb to the Nazi totalitarian state???


15 posted on 01/23/2009 10:09:44 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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No, all German soldiers took a PERSONAL oath of loyalty to Hitler (not the army of the country) starting in the 30’s. Many German officers refused to disobey criminal Hitler’s orders because such an oath of honor was almost physically binding to the officer caste. The German Navy resisted Hitler more than any other branch, more out of hidebound tradition than anything else. Raeder and Doenitz refused to dismiss naval officers with Jewish wives.


16 posted on 01/23/2009 10:16:40 PM PST by ozzymandus
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I thought the Werhmacht didn’t have to take an oath of personal loyalty to Hitler until AFTER the von staffenburg assasination attempt.

It was required after the death of President Hindenburg, at which time Hitler abolished the old Weimar office of President, assuming the title of Fuhrer and Reich Chancellor.

17 posted on 01/23/2009 10:26:33 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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1/24/39 Update

SS leader Reinhard Heydrich is ordered by Göring to speed up emigration of Jews.

This tidbit comes from www.worldwar-2.net. It is a great site for WWII timelines. The war is broken down by region and year. I counted 90 timelines for the actual war period plus one called Prelude to War, where today's update came from. There is even a section on World War I. The site's developer is British, so it has a slight British emphasis.

I couldn't find anything about Goering's orders to Heydrich on this date in my vast library ("Rise and Fall of the Third Reich").

18 posted on 01/24/2009 7:52:40 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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I don't see any text in your original and first post, HJS.

Not sure what you mean. The original post was about Benny Goodman, last January. It looks as it did then. I was only posting text copied from Word docs back then.

sometimes I just get frustrated because I cannot cut and paste from your posted images.

I know what you mean. It impairs the discussion when you have to copy manually like that. Manual transcription was taking me too long to accomplish. We would still be in last October if I didn't go to the scanning method. But I didn't have success scanning to a Word file that I could edit for errors and post as text. Maybe I should give it another try with the next batch. I have uploaded images through Feb. 20. The best of all worlds would be a Word document that retains the original look but can be edited to correct copying glitches and can be posted as text to facilitate quoting during discussion. I think the biggest obstacle to that is the legibility of my photocopies from the microfiche reader.

Thank you for your service to history and FR.

That is very nice of you to say. I thought I was just having fun. Thank you for your continued interest and support.

19 posted on 01/24/2009 1:09:46 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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That's one of about 20 sites I have book-marked. It's rich on dates which makes it a great jumping off point for further research. I know that somewhere there is more data on this order but all I can find right now is an excerpt from a speech given by Hitler on the 30th that emphasizes this attitude.
20 posted on 01/24/2009 7:13:46 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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