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To: ExSoldier

Of course, probably all the best troops in their prime are probably going to be on the gov’ts side. But again, the insurgents could probably cause chaos, but could they actually defeat and overcome the army or just lead them a merry dance? The taleban is doing a good job of leading the coalition forces a merry dance, but it can’t actually take the fight to them and defeat them.
I might check that book out if I can get it of Amazon, it does sound interesting...

“I know this, winnable or not, it’s better to die on your feet as a free man than live on your knees as a slave. But.... Maybe that’s just me.”

Well, the thing is, it isn’t likely that the government is just going to go all out for blatant tyranny, complete with a boo-hiss hate figure twirling a thin black mustache and going ‘muhahahahaha!’ Remember that even when the the Revolutionary War broke out, the colonies were still probably the freeist and most lightly taxed society in the world, except for the lack of parliamentary representation. Some took the view that the Crown’s infringements justified rebellion, wheras others believed the rebellion was wrong and/or that the rebels were a dangerous threat to the freedoms they already enjoyed (without the benefit of hindsight, many of them would have viewed Washington as a new Cromwell)....


81 posted on 01/14/2009 7:03:15 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan; Travis McGee
I might check that book out if I can get it of Amazon, it does sound interesting...

Easier still, just send freeper Travis McGee a freepmail and he'll tell you how to get them.

84 posted on 01/15/2009 3:43:40 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan; ExSoldier; DuncanWaring
Here they are.


88 posted on 01/15/2009 11:17:42 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan; Travis McGee
Of course, probably all the best troops in their prime are probably going to be on the gov’ts side.

Don't bet the farm on that one. I know for a fact that at the upper levels of army special operations back in the mid 90's there was a real discourse among army special operations officers as to when might the time come for troops to stand by the people and against the government? That is after all, one of the main missions of army special forces: To train indigenious militia into an effective force to accomplish regime change. What happens if the military splits along idelogical lines? What happens if whole units from state national guards decide to side with the people and bring their inventory with them? It's happened before. At the outset of hostilities for the War between the States, many cadets at West Point left to fight for the south. So did many of their instructors.

But again, the insurgents could probably cause chaos, but could they actually defeat and overcome the army or just lead them a merry dance? The taleban is doing a good job of leading the coalition forces a merry dance, but it can’t actually take the fight to them and defeat them.

There are dang few terrorists who can lay credible proof that they know how to lead in combat. As for the Taliban, NONE of those bozos that can make a claim to being a trained leader, whereas the American military is full of them. We have the only military force in the world (aside maybe from Israel) that teaches leadership to the lowest enlisted levels. If a unit gets wiped out of officers and sergeants, then the private first class (pfc) with the most senior date of rank knows how to take over and what to do. Charlie Tango Mike: Continue The Mission. The task isn't really defeating the military in detail all over the country. Let me ask you, how do you kill a snake? Cut the head off. In a den of vipers you may have to cut the heads off quite a few. But in the end, once the brains are dead the body will stop twitching. See?

That's why the Taliban have no chance of ever truly defeating us. To do that, means they have to come here and cut the head off. Not likely. But a war fought on our home territory with the head of the threat here and a viable target, along with the senior planners and assistants? You betcha!

89 posted on 01/15/2009 12:23:48 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
8% of the population of the Colonies took on the British Crown. Around 250,000 folks. 230,000 were civilian militia.

10% of gun owners is still between 8 and 10 MILLION folks. Most of 'em former LEO or Military. Most of 'em armed with more than just .22LR or .38 Specials.

If the SHTF, the Government doesn't stand a chance.

92 posted on 01/15/2009 1:10:41 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Here is my original post on special forces underground taken from archives.org.

An open letter from a 'Green Beret'

The Resister: The Political Warfare Journal of the Special Forces Underground_Spring 1998 'Defector in Place--USSOCOM'

This letter is addressed to old family Reds, central bankers, military traitors (past and present), academia, media pundits, "civil rights" activists, and "Greens." Your worst fears are justified; Special Forces Underground is real. It's not just a subtitle on the Resister's masthead. Worse for you, is that it's not just in Special Forces. It exists in all branches of the military, in federal agencies, among civilians, and in several foreign countries.

I am an old Special Forces active duty soldier. I've worked with people in all branches of the military, alphabet soup federal agencies, police departments, and civilians. While most people I've worked with are passive supporters of resistance to your "global community," there are some who are willing to actively defend what they believe in.

I will continue to perform my appointed military duties in a professional manner. I will publicly agree with your collectivist policies and parrot your slogans. I pay my taxes, don't belong to any "militia," and won't join any "extremist" group. For all outside appearances I am one of your "global community" peasants.

Having traveled extensively I have seen firsthand the results of failed collectivist governments who have looted their countries into squalor.

Most politically attuned people I know have seen it also and know that the only way you can achieve your global community is by doing the same to America. Some think resistance is futile. Maybe it is.

But we are willing to fight you, and make you pay DEARLY for your arrogance. We are moral, principled, and believe in the ORIGINAL Constitution and the philosophies that define it. You see, your mistake was that you thought we'd just mumble our oath and then contradict it when ordered to. But YOU--you promoters of the "brotherhood of mankind"--are the enemies domestic we are sworn to defend the Constitution against. We didn't choose you as the enemy. By your collectivist ideologies and actions, you self selected.

We pray to the God you SCORN that the day never arrives when we are finally compelled to turn against you, what you expected us to do to enemies foreign. If that day does arise, lament. For I, and others like me, have been trained in the blackest of arts, and the darkest of crafts.

Your minions are useless cattle. They cannot protect you. You cannot hide. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, but you'll NEVER know whether der guten soldat you hired is one of us---or not.

So, to all you altruist-collectivist global citizens:
"YOU WILL FIND NO JOY IN YOUR NEW WORLD ORDER."

113 posted on 01/16/2009 10:34:15 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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