Posted on 01/01/2009 4:21:57 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
Will Asia’s downturn be worse than America’s?
Posted by Edward Harrison on 21 December 2008
Published in economy
Below is an article that has been syndicated on a number of sites in the Indian press (hat tip Ravin) which challenges the common wisdom that Asia, and particularly China, will weather the downturn better than the U.S. While the articles conclusions are contentious, its analysis bears noting, making those conclusions an outcome to not dismiss.
Yves Smith of naked capitalism recently coined the phrase Alpha Creditor to denote the country with the highest net exports and largest current account surplus. In the 1930s that country was the United States. Today, China is the Alpha Creditor. Therefore, it makes sense to compare China to the America of the 1930s, and America - as the Alpha Debtor - to the U.K. of the 1930s.
Here is what the article has to say. I have bolded the areas to note:
China is in danger of repeating the mistakes that the US made in the 1930s in the downward spiral of the Great Depression, and as a result China might end up bearing a large part of the painful adjustments from today’s global economic downturn.
In fact, Moody’s Economy.com associate economist Alaistair Chan takes the contrarian view that the global downturn may hurt Asia more than it will hurt the US. “This seems counterintuitive,” acknowledges Chan, “but Asian countries are mostly net producers, while the US is a net consumer. A reduction in global demand means a reduction in global supply… And so although the US downturn will trigger a reduced global demand, Asia could bear the brunt of the problem through reduced global supply.”
By way of historical parallel, Chan points to one “overlooked reason” for why the US was so badly hurt during the Great Depression of the 1930s: the US was at that time the world’s largest exporter and ran the world’s largest current account surplus. Europe in the 1930s was in much the same state as the US is today: it was running a trade deficit and consuming American goods.
“When demand collapsed in the 1930s, there was overcapacity, mostly in the US,” Chan recalls. “And rather than boost domestic demand to absorb the excess production, the government imposed import tariffs… This led other countries to retaliate, further blocking off markets for American goods.” That downward spiral resulted in a painful adjustment period, when production had to fall to the level of consumption, which was ultimately corrected with the onset of government spending for the Second World War, says Chan.
The US, Chan points out, is now undergoing another period of adjustment in which consumption and investment relative to GDP are falling while saving is increasing.
“Among other things, this implies a reduction in the US current account deficit and, hence, a reduction in Asian current account and trade surpluses.” Given that China is the US’s second-biggest import supplier and the country with which the US has the largest bilateral trade deficit, China is likely to bear a large part of the adjustment, he argues.
For Asia to “solve the problem” by stimulating domestic demand isn’t as easy as many commentators make it out to be, says Chan. “If the process were so straightforward, governments would likely have done so already.” It’s of course true that Asian economies have no other choice: with demand shrinking in Western markets, either domestic demand must compensate, or supply must shrink.
The period of adjusting could be prolonged and painful, observes Chan. “If the adjustment in consumption and saving in the US is part of a long-term correction, there will be major implications for Asia. Entire export industries will have to be retooled to serve domestic sectors. Retooling, say, factories in Shenzhen from assembling iPods and mobile phones towards products that Chinese consumers would buy would require a long process of reconfiguring supply chains across Asia, affecting, among other things, semiconductor production in Taiwan, memory production in Korea, and hard drive production in Singapore.”
The process, he reckons, will likely take decades. Government policy must be directed at boosting domestic consumption and discouraging saving. Governments may have to ramp up deficit spending and improve social safety nets such as unemployment benefits and healthcare.
However, China is in danger of repeating some of the mistakes that the US made in the 1930s, which accentuated its downward spiral during the Great Depression.
Pointing out that the Chinese government had announced tax rebates on exports for a range of goods, Chan said, “In an economic sense, there is little difference between import tariffs and export subsidies.”
A planned depreciation of the yuan, about which there is intense speculation, would have a similar effect. And the announcement of the 4 trillion yuan fiscal stimulus package seemed designed partly to encourage American policymakers to come up with a larger package.
In sum, although policymakers around Asia insist that the region is well-placed to withstand financial instability around the world, the risks of a deeper downturn are rising, cautions Chan.
I do believe that the severity of the slowdown in China has been underestimated. Given the bursting of a housing and stock market bubble, it seems unlikely that domestic demand can replace export demand given the low relative per capita income in China. The required increase in domestic demand is much greater in China due to the lower relative income per capita. In my view domestic demand will not increase, it will decrease. Only government spending can fill the gap. And that cannot nearly be enough to reflate the Chinese economy.
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http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/12/china-is-set-up-for-a-big-fall.html
China is set up for a big fall
Posted by Edward Harrison on 23 December 2008
Published in economy
The punderati has been especially kind to China. As the global recession takes hold, the conventional wisdom has moved from the largely debunked de-coupling of China to a story where China slows, but much less so than the west. But is that really how things will play out?
Marshall Auerback certainly thinks China faces some stiff headwinds, but he believes these are issues that can be overcome. Debt levels are extremely low and savings levels very high amongst the consuming masses there. Mark Mobius believes that the emerging markets generally are shortly due for an upswing. However, I would like to take a more pessimistic tack here.
You may recall that just yesterday I quoted from an Indian article which underlined the cratering of export demand for China. Let me add to those thoughts with the following analysis:
It'd be great to see how C.K. Prahalad (Indian, globalist whore who was an influential thought-leader behind the gutting of US industry to gain market share in Third World nations) reacts to this.
Cheers!
...oh, and Happy New Year!
Yes I think it's called nonperforming loans -- money "loaned" to those worthless Mao-era "enterprises" which have for years "pretended to pay workers who pretended to work." Closing them all, should have occurred but that would mean millions more unemployed and more unrest.
There weren't tens of thousands of incidents of citizens squaring off against authorities annually in 1930s America.
On top of that, I suspect many bad loans have been made to dubious private enterprises connected to powerful party officials.
YES!
Hi, Tiger.
Examining Chinese government actions and anecdotal evidence from Guangdong one is inclined to agree with the presented analysis.
It is well known that the proximal cause of the Great Depression was European inability to repay debts owed to United States creditors. That is what triggered chain bankruptcy of the US financial system in those days. Leverage collapsed.
Of course, the financial system is bankrupt again nowadays in the USA. We’ll shall have to see if Dr. Frankenstein’s creation, patched together from dead tissues and shocked into “life” with a lightning blast of trillions of dollars, is for us a good and faithful servant.
Other thoughts:
1. Lack of oil revenue causes Muslim countries to implode, because their leadership can no longer afford to bribe everyone.
2. Mexico loses oil revenue, and economic slowdown kills terrorism, leaving drug lords the only people with money. How we handle millions (more) Mexicans coming here to escape the chaos I’m not sure.
3. Criticizing and analyzing any of the situations in these threads become illegal (hate speech), preventing popular feedback that forces real resolutions.
If the Chinese did a Henry Ford - the modern equivalent of "5 bucks a day" - they'd be fine. But luckily for us, the Chinese don't 'get' capitalism...
Fordism - paying people more money than they're worth - is caca on wheels. The communists did it on a nation-wide scale and ended up with famines killing tens of millions. Ford manage to survive in spite of Fordism because he essentially invented assembly line mass production, but paying his people too much money meant he did not have enough to invest in R&D, resulting in market share losses to other manufacturers, which borrowed his innovation and almost ran him into the ground. Once other countries figured out assembly line mass production - industrial plant Fordism via closed shop unionization was moribund in America - the only question was how long it could be kept on life support.
Besides, on the micro level, the Chinese can't just pay their people $5 an hour. They are glorified screwdriver turners and button pressers with serious competition in neighboring countries. Vietnam has 80m people and 1/3 China's minimum wage. Indonesia has 200m people and was recently overtaken by Chinese on the wage front. Guess what? Foreign manufacturers are starting to move abroad. Heck - Chinese manufacturers are starting to move abroad. Thai workers, who have higher wages than the Chinese, are starting to turn out products at a lower cost than from Chinese sources. An Oriental acquaintance commented on this during a visit to a store that carries Oriental foods (where there's apparently a significant amount of international competition in Asia itself). Who needs the quality problems associated with Chinese products when you can simply buy products from some other country?
So, if China drops to say 5-6% growth, it will hurt them more than the US at 0% growth.
In the big picture, China is doing better than other developing countries (e.g., India), because of it's urban migration.
I personally believe, once the global recession is over (and there will be a recovery), the upturn will benefit China more than the West.
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