Posted on 12/07/2008 8:03:41 AM PST by nufsed
We have four children (ages 29-40) and they are of various political persuasions. My liberal daughter usually respond "Daaaad. What are you doing this for?" I just say, truth and law.
Can’t respond much until tonight. In the words of a wannabe governor, “I’ll be back.”
FYI. I’m out for most of the day. Be back tonight.
The MSM poo-poos this entire birth certificate issue as specious, but the question posed above makes me wonder what he is hiding. It would be so easy for him to make all of this go away, why doesn't he do it?
“I just say, truth and law.”
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Precisely.
Perhaps the simple, but supremely important phrase “We are a nation of laws, not of men” might also be helpful to aid her understanding.
Yours is a very cogent summary. Thanks
Thanx for posting. I’ll be back tonight.
There are various truths and myths to this entire Obama birth certificate episode. The $850k spent on fighting it...mostly myth...I have seen over twenty different amounts on various pages...and I have come to doubt any topic when money is mentioned.
I will offer this analysis....if and when the mess is finally cleared....I think he will have been born in Hawaii...which passes the rules, and this discussion will be finished. However, I do believe that the birthdate constantly given in August 1961...won’t be factual. I think thats what he has continually tried to keep hidden. My thinking is that his mother (Stanley Ann)....was pregnant before leaving Seattle and long before meeting this Kenyan guy. So if proven on the birth certificate....then a major portion of his book, his story, and his legend....will be bogus.
The fact that no neighbor or family friend in Hawaii knows anything about this birth or remembers anything...is puzzling.
That's the first I've heard of that. Would explain why he has sealed his college records.
Thanks for posting this thread!
Here is another:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2144344/posts?q=1&;page=394#394
I ask everyone to go here and read, read, read. Our Constitution must be upheld no matter WHO is President!
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Let me put that one to rest.
If he was an American citizen, no action that he or his parents took while he was a minor are capable of removing his citizenship. The Supreme Court has been very clear on that in several cases. Among others: Perkins v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
There may be legitimate issues to raise, but this isn't one of them.
THIS is the point people need to keep making. Every story or editorial on this story claims the State of Hawaii has confirmed he was born there, but as I and many others said the day of that statement, those words seemed very carefully chosen to avoid commenting on what the document said and instead ONLY focused on the fact it exists.
I don't know about the amount but if he has dispatched lawyers to 17 states to shield his BC from possible scrutiny, that is certainly significant.
Does anyone know if this part of the story is true?
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We no longer subscribe to Readers Digest. Used to be a really good magazine until the Libs got hold of it.
I have heard that one of his classmates at Columbia remembers him either.
Will never be finished, unfortunately, as long as the true believers refuse to accept facts. They insist on defining the term “natural-born citizen” by their own definition, rather than it has been used for centuries in common law and in American legal cases. In which cases it is the exact equivalent of “native-born” or “citizen at birth” and is contrasted with the only other category of American citizen, naturalized.
Thanks for providing a rational suggestion about why he is refusing to release his BC that doesn’t involve his trying to hide his true citizenship. I don’t know if it’ true, but it’s at least a logical attempt to explain the otherwise inexplicable decision to not release a simple document most of us have had to produce many times.
The Denofrio case before the Supreme Court has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama’s Birth Certificate, or whether he was born in Kenya.
It is based on the fact that he gave up his citizenship (if he ever really had one) when his Indonesian step-father adopted him in Indonesia and made Obama an Indonesian citizen, and that country does not honor dual citizenship. So he (or his parents) had to renounce his U.S. citizenship.
If obama is shown to have been born in Hawaii, of course that issue will be put to rest. But he’s really introduced perhaps a bigger issue, which is the degree to which he’s willing to hide, dodge, duck, weave, and stonewall when it comes to questions that are important to the American people. His supporters might continue to support him, but the truth is clear now and even they must know it. His administration will not be transparent and he doesn’t see himself as accountable at all to the American people.
“We no longer subscribe to Readers Digest. Used to be a really good magazine until the Libs got hold of it.”
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Yes.
Add National Geographic, now known as Save Mother Gaia Monthly, to that category.
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