Posted on 11/15/2008 8:48:13 AM PST by Amityschild
OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" - AS SUCH, OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES
Barack Obama's official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto: FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen "at birth".
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So what you're saying is that Congress cannot pass rules on naturaization, but that those rules it cannot make must be uniform. Odd.
No, because St. George Tucker said so...
I forgot. You're the one who thinks that Congress can make laws for DC alone and not the country.
The inhabitants enjoy all their civil, religious, and political rights. They live substantially under the same laws, as at the time of the cession, such changes only having been made, as have been devised, and sought by themselves. They are not indeed citizens of any state, entitled to the privileges of such; but they are citizens of the United States. They have no immediate representatives in congress.
According to the 14th Amendment people are ctizens of the United States and the state they reside in.
If these facts upset the governmental boot-lickers, that's too bad.
Upset? No. Amuse? Most definitely.
“A child can have dual citizenship at birth - happens all the time. The fact that his British/Kenyan citizenship “expired” in 82 leaves him solely a US citizen, who was native born, assuming he was born in Hawaii.”
Not if he used that citizenship/passport to travel, or to obtain preference or financial assistance for education.
It does now, though it does not encourage it. When exactly did that change.
Once Obama starts claiming various different citizenship around the world, as he already has his fidelity to this country is suspect, and must be examined to the fullest extent that the law allows.
Obama has acknowledged his dual citizenship which was the result of his birth. It's also been made clear that he did nothing to retain his Kenyan citizenship.
No, what is odd is you're trying to make me defend something I never said.
Still up to playing liberalized word games I see.
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It gives stability to my wold, NS, to know you continue to live up to your screen name.
Non-sequiturs comprise your rebuttals as well as your facts.
Some things never change.
(YAWN)
Stop that underminding stuff, Lucy! This is series.
Actually an intelligent reading of the 14th amendment would render that result. The trouble is the courts are not bound by intelligent readings.
The only way this can be resolved is for Congress to limit the Courts say in this matter, and yes they have that authority, most here don't believe that, but they do.
She clearly states it is an original birth certificate. Not a copy. Not a certificate of live birth.
You willing to buy a cat in the bag?
Unless you have something supporting the claim of foreign birth then we don't have much of a choice.
Shirley you don’t mean it!
This country started recognizing dual citizenship within the last ten years, when Obama was born it did not do so.
Dual citizenship is part of the diluting of American citizenship that the liberals have fostered upon us like anchor babies when it used to be that an illegal alien child that had been born in this country and abandoned was considered for citizenship under the Jurisdiction clause of the fourteenth amendment.
If it's true, yes, the way I read it, but I'm not a lawyer. How on earth do I know if that registration and that Indonesian school record are real or manufactured and by whom?
and can we fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both for not reporting it to a judge?
No. As a regular citizen, I wouldn't even get past the call desk in the police department and worse. No judge would give me or most of us the time of day.
And why will I not attempt to report it? Because I have no way of knowing if the records are bona fide or false. The whole case right now hinges on that Indonesian school record; the draft registration is new and incidental, hasn't been mentioned in any case filed to date to my knowedge.
FFS.
If he was born in Hawaii, I would agree that he is a natural born citizen. However, we have no documentation of that fact as of now, other than the say-so of Obama supporters.
The major weakness in Mr. Donofrio's argument is that he is creating what appears to be a new interpretation of the constitutional phrase "natural born citizen," an interpretation which unfortunately does not seem to agree with case law. Donofio is claiming that becuase British law made Obama a British subject at birth, he is not a natural born (American) citizen in that he had dual citizenship (or dual loyalty) at birth (assuming, again, he was born in Hawaii). Donofrio should not base his argument on his interpretation of the "Natural Born Citizen" clause alone, even if it may be consistent with the Founding Fathers' thinking at the time the Constitution was written. As an alternative strategy, he could possibly subpoena the Hawaii birth records so that the Court can have whatever information is contained there before deciding this critical matter.
Lol. Which post? This is hugh and series.
Found it; thanks.
His Kenyan father is not a sufficient reason to deny his derivative AMERICAN citizenship, IF HE IS ENTITLED TO IT!
However, that is still unproven without public examination of his actual birth certificate, not a copy of a “certificate of live birth”.
My personal circumstances bear some resemblance to Obama’s. I was born in London to TWO American parents, and have a British birth certificate at St. Mary’s Hospital there to prove it.
I ALSO have a Consular certificate of birth at the American Consulate in London, that names my parents, their origins, their marriage date, and specifies my American citizenship by derivation as of the date and time of my birth.
Shortly after that - and just ahead of the “Blitz” bombing of London - the family returned to America, and eventually settled in California, where my brother was born. Then my father died, and my mother re-married a couple of years later. Our stepfather adopted both of us a couple of years after that, and we both were issued the California version of Hawaii’s “Certificate of Live Birth”, with our new name, original birth date, and no birth location specified.
My brother’s original California birth certificate was sealed by the state of California, so his original ID disappeared. Mine, however, was not accessible to California, and therefore remains available to me.
Finally, when I was 18 - no longer a minor - I took a formal oath of citizenship, and was issued a DERIVATIVE Certificate Of Citizenship, indicating an effective date of my birth date in England.
Obama has shown us NONE of the documentation I have described above. But that is not all. My derivative citizenship was effective because I NEVER performed an overt act of rejecting American citizenship, or an overt act of SEEKING or AFFIRMING citizenship in a foreign nation as an adult.
However, Obama might have done just that. He traveled to Pakistan at a time when he COULD NOT have done so legally on an American passport. For instance, obtaining an Indonesian passport based on his adoption by an Indonesian citizen (Lolo Soetoro) would be such an act. Did he?
I have official, documentary proof of my American citizenship, based on a formal oath administered by an authorized official of the US Government. Does he?
Being eligible for dual citizenship due to foreign birth is NOT disqualifying. Disqualification would require a deliberate act of either renouncing American citizenship or affirming citizenship in another country. I was born in England in 1939 to American parents, but my Certificate of Citizenship issued in 1958, when I took my oath, says that I am a DERIVATIVE American citizen as of 1939.
Thank you for stating the facts as they effect his citizenship in Indonesia, possible use of a foreign citizenship/passport to travel, and his status/financial aid while a student.
Many of us are hung up on the birth location when his actions as an adult may be much more meaningful in the discussion of his citizenship “type”. His father’s name and mothers actual marital status might not have any bearing on the decision as to his eligibility to be POTUS.
Would you like to post that again every few minutes? It might help to have more people become informed.
People are so quick to make hasty statements, without the information that is needed, and in some cases not available.
Alan Keyes would not let this take place in his name if he did not truly have some sincere question as to the Obama eligibility.
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