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To: Amityschild

His Kenyan father is not a sufficient reason to deny his derivative AMERICAN citizenship, IF HE IS ENTITLED TO IT!

However, that is still unproven without public examination of his actual birth certificate, not a copy of a “certificate of live birth”.

My personal circumstances bear some resemblance to Obama’s. I was born in London to TWO American parents, and have a British birth certificate at St. Mary’s Hospital there to prove it.

I ALSO have a Consular certificate of birth at the American Consulate in London, that names my parents, their origins, their marriage date, and specifies my American citizenship by derivation as of the date and time of my birth.

Shortly after that - and just ahead of the “Blitz” bombing of London - the family returned to America, and eventually settled in California, where my brother was born. Then my father died, and my mother re-married a couple of years later. Our stepfather adopted both of us a couple of years after that, and we both were issued the California version of Hawaii’s “Certificate of Live Birth”, with our new name, original birth date, and no birth location specified.

My brother’s original California birth certificate was sealed by the state of California, so his original ID disappeared. Mine, however, was not accessible to California, and therefore remains available to me.

Finally, when I was 18 - no longer a minor - I took a formal oath of citizenship, and was issued a DERIVATIVE Certificate Of Citizenship, indicating an effective date of my birth date in England.

Obama has shown us NONE of the documentation I have described above. But that is not all. My derivative citizenship was effective because I NEVER performed an overt act of rejecting American citizenship, or an overt act of SEEKING or AFFIRMING citizenship in a foreign nation as an adult.

However, Obama might have done just that. He traveled to Pakistan at a time when he COULD NOT have done so legally on an American passport. For instance, obtaining an Indonesian passport based on his adoption by an Indonesian citizen (Lolo Soetoro) would be such an act. Did he?

I have official, documentary proof of my American citizenship, based on a formal oath administered by an authorized official of the US Government. Does he?


397 posted on 11/15/2008 6:33:49 PM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: MainFrame65; All

Thank you for stating the facts as they effect his citizenship in Indonesia, possible use of a foreign citizenship/passport to travel, and his status/financial aid while a student.

Many of us are hung up on the birth location when his actions as an adult may be much more meaningful in the discussion of his citizenship “type”. His father’s name and mothers actual marital status might not have any bearing on the decision as to his eligibility to be POTUS.

Would you like to post that again every few minutes? It might help to have more people become informed.

People are so quick to make hasty statements, without the information that is needed, and in some cases not available.

Alan Keyes would not let this take place in his name if he did not truly have some sincere question as to the Obama eligibility.


400 posted on 11/15/2008 6:58:56 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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