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Very Strange Video: American Flag Stuck In Ground Next To Russian Runway At Battle Of Stalingrad ?
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Posted on 11/14/2008 10:58:59 AM PST by MindBender26

Need some assistance in identifying something really weird I just saw on The Military Channel.

From 1300 to 1400 hrs., Eastern daylight Time, The Military Channel was showing the first hour of a two-part documentary on the Russian defense of Stalingrad during World War II. A lot of it is really great video and includes major segments of film shot during the war by German and Soviet military camera.

At nine minutes after the hour the program was covering Russian efforts to reduce a German salient into their territory. The picture shows two early war Russian fighter aircraft taking off from right to left. It's a rather close picture and aircraft are clearly of Soviet manufacture. They are absolutely not any of the P-40 or P-63 aircraft we gave to the Soviets during their battle with Hitler's army.

As the aircraft are taking off, there is a flagpole in the right front of the picture. The staff is stuck into the ground. Hanging from a flagpole, blowing clearly in the wind is an American flag! Not only is it clearly an American flag but both the gold ropes and tassels and pointed device at the top of the pole are all clearly visible and identifiable.

The size of the flagstaff is approximately 6 feet long and the size of the flag itself is a typical flag, about 3 feet by 5 feet, that you would normally associate with military colors carried during a parade or on display in the commander's office. I'm not sure but it even appeared that there was gold fringe around the outside edge of the flag.

The setting was not a headquarters area of any kind but rather just a snow-covered runway in the middle of the wheat fields in the breadbasket area of the former Soviet Union. There were no identifiable Americans or anything else American in the film to indicate why the flag would have been there.

Can somebody please ping the World War II and aviation ping lists and see if anybody has any idea why the American flag was there.


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1 posted on 11/14/2008 10:58:59 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26

Possible landing area for damaged USAAF bombers?


2 posted on 11/14/2008 11:02:10 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: MindBender26
Got to http://777avg.com/unithistory/ for more on the American Volunteer Group that went to Russia. That is probably their uS flag you see.
3 posted on 11/14/2008 11:03:15 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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Probably some stock film...and they thought no one would notice.

Kinda like an old war movie of a guy in a plane and the various fight scenes are have 15 different aircraft and not even close to the aircraft the guy is supposed to be flying. I guess they thought people were stupid and wouldn’t know the difference decades ago. Probably the same deal with the flag.


4 posted on 11/14/2008 11:03:39 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: MindBender26

Didn’t we have some Americans train the Nachthexen and even some US women who where denied combat pilot roles sneak over and join them?


5 posted on 11/14/2008 11:03:44 AM PST by mnehring
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To: MindBender26

Presence (somewhere nearby) of American advisors/logistical personel?


6 posted on 11/14/2008 11:04:37 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: MindBender26

There’s one on the Moon too.


7 posted on 11/14/2008 11:06:02 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: WKUHilltopper

No, this is real deal film.


8 posted on 11/14/2008 11:07:15 AM PST by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait 'til they're halfway back up! You get better leverage!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Way too small and 1000 miles too far east,

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9 posted on 11/14/2008 11:07:51 AM PST by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait 'til they're halfway back up! You get better leverage!)
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To: MindBender26; Bringbackthedraft; mnehrling; Psalm 73; Deb
From http://777avg.com/unithistory/

STALINGRAD:

The German advance on Stalingrad was swift and deadly. The Red Air Force was forced to move its aircraft east of the Volga River for protection. The 77th was posted to a forward airbase just east of the city. Intense air action soon followed as the Triple 7’s battled some of the Luftwaffe’s greatest aces. The German BF-109F and G models were far superior to the P-39 and P-40 and exacted a heavy toll on the AVG. The newly introduced Focke-Wulf 190 also began operations over Stalingrad.

As the Soviet Army began to push the Nazis out of Stalingrad and encircle the German Sixth Army, the 77th began to take apart the German re-supply effort. German transports of all sizes fell victim to the American Cobras and Warhawks while trying to evacuate and re-supply the German Sixth Army.

The Triple 7’s also flew several escort missions for Soviet IL-2 Sturmoviks. The American pilots were fascinated by the tough and deadly ground attack aircraft. They were amazed at the level of destruction they wrought on the

battlefield. Not a single German tank or truck was safe while Sturmoviks were in the area. They were also prime targets for the German aces and the 77th scored many victories shooting enemy aircraft off of their tails.

By the time the Sixth Army surrendered in late January 1943, the 77th had destroyed an impressive 78 enemy aircraft, but at a cost of 21 of their own planes and 13 pilots. The AVG quickly gained a reputation for aggressiveness and skill on the Ostfront. Unfortunately, their exploits were largely unknown to Americans back home or the rest of the world due to the tight control of information by Stalin’s government. Only rumors and intercepted radio messages hinted at their existence.

10 posted on 11/14/2008 11:07:59 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Deb

“There’s one on the Moon too.”

So they tried make people believe!


11 posted on 11/14/2008 11:08:49 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I can't wait for January 20, 2013")
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To: Bender2

I think you nailed it!


12 posted on 11/14/2008 11:10:48 AM PST by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait 'til they're halfway back up! You get better leverage!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Last time I was there, it was still there too.


13 posted on 11/14/2008 11:11:17 AM PST by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait 'til they're halfway back up! You get better leverage!)
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To: Bender2

Operation Uranus: the Rooskies came in from behind, from the west, creating their own `kettle’ encirclement, while overrunning the Romanians to the north. Paulus didn’t see it until it was too late, but of course Hitler was refusing permission to withdraw.


14 posted on 11/14/2008 11:13:12 AM PST by tumblindice
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Re: I think you nailed it!

Well, old sport, that's my job... That is besides bending things!

And nailing... babebots!

15 posted on 11/14/2008 11:19:59 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: tumblindice
Uh oh. Here come the 'Uranus' jokes.


16 posted on 11/14/2008 11:23:14 AM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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Got to http://777avg.com/unithistory/ for more on the American Volunteer Group that went to Russia.

I think the "777" is a make believe page for a guy who does Flight Sims. Click on the linkss, such as "cockpit."

The sim game appears to be IL-2.

17 posted on 11/14/2008 11:28:01 AM PST by Pilsner
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I have a vague memory of reading a book about American pilots in WW2 Russia, might have been that unit.
18 posted on 11/14/2008 11:29:09 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Bender2

Research is so damn sexy!


19 posted on 11/14/2008 11:35:45 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: tumblindice
Maybe this will be more helpful.

btw, this book is one of the best WWII books I have ever read.

20 posted on 11/14/2008 11:36:51 AM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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