Obama_Quietly_Revokes_His_Plan_for_a_Draft
P.S. people who support Obama are what Moochers and should be referred to as such.
Posted on 11/07/2008 10:40:35 AM PST by Traviswf
Hi there. I voted for Obama, but have been reading a lot of Freerepublic lately to see how the other side is reacting. I'm not trying to troll here - honestly - but if you feel I am, that's understandable. I just wanted to offer a perspective on this that I think may be interesting to some of you. Oh, and this is much longer than I intended. And I'm fairly certain I'm not posting this the right way...for which I apologize.
When Bush was elected in 2000, I was upset. And yes, I whined about him "stealing" the election. I don't really think that's true anymore - it was just a painful way to lose. Sure, we can whine about the popular vote vs. the electoral vote, but you can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Then I watched the movie Recount and realized just how awful the democrats were at trying to win the damn thing. Gore seemed like he didn't really want it.
When Bush won in 2004, I was absolutely devastated. I thought the world was going to end. I didn't think we should be in Iraq, I agreed with Kerry that we had to finish the fight in Afganistan. I was worried about the courts. And frankly - I just didn't like Bush. I didn't like the way he governed, the way he spoke, and the way he talked as if we on the left were less American.
On 9/11 I happened to be in Toronto on business. When the towers fell, I knew I had to get home. A colleague and I wanted to go to New York, to help in some way. But we were told nobody was getting anywhere close. Our next instinct was to get home - to California. We didn't just want to be with our families, we desperately wanted to be in our country. That day was rough because my colleague thought his wife might have been on one of the planes - her travel plans were very similar. It took hours of agony before we, thank God, found out she was safe.
So we rented a car in Toronto and drove across the country. It took a couple hours to get across the border in the middle of the night. We stopped in Omaha, and then Colorado. I can't even tell you how much I loved my country driving across its beauty in those days after the attacks. And there were no jokes about "we're in enemy territory" because we were in "red states." We were in America. Everywhere we went people said "How are you? Is everyone safe?"
I know everyone has similar stories of those days. And certainly many, many people have stories of real loss - not just "we thought we lost someone, but it was a happy ending." Then, fairly quickly, I felt my patriotism coming under attack because I had a difference of opinion about how to fight back. I didn't think Iraq was the right choice - it made no sense to me, and I certainly wasn't alone. But people questioned my love of my country. And that was very, very hard to forgive.
When 2008 came up, more than anything, I wanted to win the White House back. I wanted to punish the Bush administration for what I felt was not just a failure to be competent, but a failure to keep the country united. I inititally supported Hilary, but I had this feeling in my gut that she was just going to be Bush - but for our side. She'd be a partisan warrior, a polarizing figure (which Bush wasn't when he started, but Hilary already was...). It made me sick to my stomach.
I wanted to go back to feeling like an American in those days after the attack - where our disagreements were things we laughed about over a beer and the real threat was far, far more serious.
I'd written Obama's candidacy off as a dry run for 2016 or later. Or maybe he was running for VP. I thought - hey, dude, at least finish a term in the Senate. Then when he said "we're not a collection of red states and blue states, we're the United States of America" it hit me like lightning. It had nothing to do with him - it had to do with the country, and my love for it and this feeling deep down in my gut that we were fighting over the placement of the deck chairs while the ship was sinking.
Wow, this got really rambly. Sorry about that. Here's why I posted initially. I saw this thing on here about Obama's "national defense force" and some posters commenting about the coming civil war or some such. I'm pretty sure Obama was just talking about funding for police. I mean - are you guys really worried he's going to do this? There was a rumor on the left that Bush was bringing a military brigade trained in "riot control" home from Iraq before the elections. People were convinced Bush was going to take over the country in a military coup. I'm sure you think that's laughable - as do I. Obama is not going to raise a civilian force of brown coats. First of all there's no money for it, nobody would go for it, and he'd be laughed out of the White House.
He's also not a socialist. And he's not coming for your guns. If he did either of this things, he can basically just go home now. Those are not realistic positions for any president to have. He will likely appoint liberals - at least too liberal for you guys - to the courts.
But here's the thing. He's going to try and be a good president. I think they all do. And Obama ran on uniting the country, on being bipartisan. That's sort of ALL he ran on. It's how he won 60% of independent and brought home so many of the Clinton voters. So if he doesn't deliver on this - I imagine he'll be fairly easy to beat in 2012.
So that's my two cents. Obama was always going to get my vote as the nominee because I'm a lifelong democrat and a liberal. But I'm not a socialist or a pacifist. I believe in the 2nd amendment and favor the idea of most issues being decided by the states. I'm not a religious man, but I respect those who are and I think the Dems over reach in pushing religion out of the public square. I believe global warming is a serious problem, but I also think Al Gore enjoys it WAY too much.
And here's another caveat. I know it's easier to be bipartisan and talk about "togetherness" when my guy won. I was where you guys are now in 2000 and 2004. I mean, my party ALMOST ran Howard Dean and then said "No wait! John Kerry is a much better idea!" Or in this election to have a friend say "You've GOT to read Alec Baldwin's latest piece on HuffPo." I mean...really? He doesn't count as an "Obamacon" you know, he only plays a republican on TV...(you guys ever notice that our most annoying Hollywood liberals end up playing republicans? what's with that?)
So yeah - we've all spent some time in the woods. I just hope we can all agree that we're just as American as the other, and we're passionate about what we believe to be the right path to take. There are real problems with the economy, and Islamic Terrorists aren't going to take a vacation for four years.
That's about it I guess. Sorry you guys lost.
They have no need to form partnerships with Conservatives.
They will allow Republicans a voice only in instances where they'll need saps to share the blame.
Compromise isn't in their playbook, and it shouldn't be in ours.
Obama_Quietly_Revokes_His_Plan_for_a_Draft
P.S. people who support Obama are what Moochers and should be referred to as such.
at least it holds the crime rate down.
Absolutely, and in a nanosecond;
Opie already has the loot, she is firmly entrenched in the liberal pantheon, (like Obama himself) she is insulated by her race, and she is convinced that she is one of the elite who will stand above the masses.
Besides, her strong position as a leading light to the 'nothing better to do this afternoon' crowd will make her useful for some time to come.
What she probably fails to see, acting on feelings rather than knowledge or deduction, is that the fellow travelers, Mensheviks and other lesser socialists, can be sacrificed at any time for the same 'greater good' they were working to bring about.
I see Bambi himself as a Menshevik;
One of the things I intend to watch is who will prove to be the heir when our newly elected Dear President is himself tossed under the bus.
Note: I'm late here, missed the post until this AM. Glad you chose to raise the discussion. Stick around and perthaps gain some perspective, then please share it with my neighbors.
It may interest you to know that Howard Dean lost the Iowa caucuses when he came back hard to a citizen at a town meeting that questioned his tone with "Bush is not my neighbor!" Many Iowans got off the Dean bandwagon and voted for "Kerry" whom many knew as that nice Senator from Nebraska (Bob). John Kerry was an accidental candidate. Momentum trumps policy.
Assuming that you understand the U.S. Constitution and the purposes of the Judicial Branch, you should not have the slightest problem with justices who seek to uphold the Constitution and not usurp the functions of the Legislative Branch.
In other words, why do you want a bunch of judges who think they can legislate? It would be just as bad if they were conservative judges who wanted to legislate from the bench. It subverts the system of government.
Blah, blah, blah. Liberals: it takes you guys 10K words to get to the same place a sane person could get to in two. Should be a fun 4 years. Blah, blah, blah.
From your source;
“DO YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE HAVE ANY NOTION OF THE PESTILENCE YOU HAVE CALLED UPON OUR HEADS?”
No, they are too dim and uninformed. Although my city is overwhelmingly Republican, my newspaper publishes comments every day from those enthralled that Obama was elected.
I saved a comment that a Freeper wrote as sarcasm, and it describes many of the Obama supporters;
“I’m so excited I’m going to cash out, ‘retire’, become disabled and go on SSI and welfare, complain, whine about my fair share, join the AARP and become a Democrat.”
Two babies die every minute. There goes your crime rate
Does that mean Bush voters should also feel betrayed for voting for a socialist? Bush’s rushed economic package - supported by good sized portions of republicans and democrats in congress - includes lots of government intervention into the markets.
There is nothing in this definition of communism you’re posting that has anything to do with any of Obama’s proposals. They do have more to do with Bush’s recent action taken with the banks and other financial institutions. Although I believe these were - as everyone has said - action taken during a financial crisis, and not an intended step towards government control over the market.
And doesn’t “collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” apply to certain parts of our government? Once money comes into the government from income taxes - it’s a redistribution of wealth into programs, goods and services that are government or “collectively” owned.
Is there something else that Obama is doing that is an egregious escalation of socialist philosophy that stands in direct conflict with American capitalism?
I have replied to someone else about the “Civilian security force” in another post that maybe you didn’t see.
The only evidence I’ve seen of a security force on right wing blogs are this Youtube clip that has Obama referring to a defense force at home. I believe, in that speech, he’s talking about more money for cops and firefighters - because they are first responders in a 9/11 or Katrina like scenario.
The other part of his plan is organizing volunteer to respond to emergency situations, filling in a gap that was noticeable, and everyone has talked about, during Katrina (and 9/11). People want to help - but there’s no organization for bringing in those people and sending them where they are most needed.
Then there is the call for volunteering in expanded Americorps and Peace Corps, which young people can do for college tuition.
I’m not seeing anything resembling a gestapo like civilian security force in there, nor the potential for one. If you’ve ever run across a group of kids working for Americorps - you’ll know how benign they are.
I voted no on Prop 8 and viewed it as a devastating loss. As someone who has been married for 7 years, I’ve never felt “threatened” by gay marriage. I have gay friends, gay colleagues and gay acquaintances who have very strong relationships and families. Some of them got married before the Proposition passed, and thankfully they can stay married. I believe they deserve every right I have under the law, including the term “marriage.”
There was a fear among some that without Prop 8, churches would be forced to marry gay couples - and that was false. The other worry was that gay marriage would be taught in schools - which I understand some people having trouble with and I think that will a compromise in new language next year.
Every side has their embarrassments.
Can you show me a link where there is evidence of this “25,000 person police force with the power of the US Army” ?
They already do.
LOL, you need to read a little more around here.
And your "hope" and "change" president just gave the chief of staff job to Rahm Embarrassment.
That's not "hope" or "change" but more of the same liberal crap. Watch - if he makes Gorelick AG it will look like the bench team for a 3rd term of Clinton. But this time, they'll do the things they really wanted to do back then but didn't have the power or the puppet to get them done (Fairness (Censorship) Doctrine, Card Check, bailout to a bailout....) Your side has lied, cheated and stole everything they wanted - THEN pitched a infantile hissy fit when you didn't get your way. Well guess what, you've got it now. And with that responsibility comes the same level of criticism your party has waged at our troops, our President, our schools, our churches, our small businesses, and our patriotic way of life. You want to kiss and make up meanwhile your party is waging a war against the Mormon Church for Prop 8. If you had a shred of decency, you would speak out against them for this. Or didn't you drive to southern California on your post 9/11 journey? Go sell your hugs somewhere else. I'm not buying.
I cannot make you smart and rational.
If you can read my post and everybody else’s posts here on this thread, and still respond with such willing ignorance, I’m not going to wast my time going into detail on how you are so wrong.
Your folly has been refuted on this thread many times.
Perl’s before swine.
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