Posted on 10/17/2008 7:59:18 AM PDT by Soliton
Three antievolutionists have been appointed to a six-member committee to review the draft set of Texas state science standards, and defenders of the integrity of science education in the Lone Star state are livid. "The committee was chosen by 12 of the 15 members of the board of education, with each panel member receiving the support of two board members," as the Dallas Morning News (October 16, 2008) explains. Six members of the board "aligned with social conservative groups" chose Stephen C. Meyer, the director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, Ralph Seelke, a biology professor at the University of Wiconsin, Superior, and Charles Garner, a chemistry professor at Baylor University.
Meyer, Seelke, and Garner are all signatories of the Discovery Institute-sponsored "Dissent from Darwinism" statement. Meyer and Seelke are also coauthors of Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism (Hill House, 2008), which, like Of Pandas and People, is a supplementary textbook that is intended to instill scientifically unwarranted doubts about evolution. A recent review by biologist John Timmer summarized, "But the book doesn't only promote stupidity, it demands it. In every way except its use of the actual term, this is a creationist book." Garner reportedly told the Houston Press (December 14, 2000) that he "criticizes evolutionary theory in class."
Meyer and Seelke also testified in the 2005 "kangaroo court" hearings held by three antievolutionist members of the Kansas state board of education, in which a parade of antievolutionist witnesses expressed their support for the so-called minority report version of the state science standards (written with the aid of a local "intelligent design" organization), complained of repression by a dogmatic evolutionary establishment, and claimed to have detected atheism lurking "between the lines" of the standards..
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LeGrande, put away the super glue.
Your little attempt at an exercise in logic is completely full of holes.
Or to put it another way, there must be an uncaused cause of causation, a first cause. His Name is I AM. But you can call Him God the Creator.
Other "matter from geometry" theories include P.S. Wesson's Five Dimensional Relativity and Two Times and Cumrun Vafa's f-theory.
Christians do not usually use a "methodological naturalism" friendly term such as "mathematical structures" when speaking of the beyond space/time but rather, Logos which is translated both as Logic and Word:
For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Colossians 1:15-20
The old strike through reposte! Touche’! It is unusual, however, to see a religionist claiming that truth is subjective; thatthere is no absolute truth.
Is space and time consistent in a black hole(whatever that is) ?..
Maybe the plane becomes a brane or frame in another nexus..
Universal Reality(that "we" know) then can become a second reality..
With the plane becoming bent into a circle..
The speed of, say, light could speed up or slow down.. in the event horizon(and beyond)..
This would/could adjust relativity.. to be on a frame and not on a plane..
Space and time would become "liquid" and not hardened..
Did I say anything?...
I don't know, but it sounded brilliant : )
When was it found to be wrong? Are you referring to our failure (so far) to unite QM and Relativity? Laughlin thinks it is just an emergent property and phase change difference.
No four dimensional relativity includes time (X,Y,Z and time, time is the fourth dimension). It is in the uniting of the fundamental forces that more dimensions are needed, for example the Kaluza-Klein needs five and string theory needs at least 9 depending on the theory.
Also you need to visualize time as a three dimensional cone not a triangle.
Yes it is at least 4 dimensions.
Well incomplete in the sense that it is not the GUT (Grand Unified Theory). But by using that logic you would be saying that the Laws of Thermodynamics are incomplete also. Everything is incomplete : )
Time is not a dimension in a linear universe..
Past, present, future are not dimensions.. they are linear points of reference.. in a lineal mental construct.. It could be they are not hard points either.. but liquid points of reference..
Its all dependant on whether the universe is lineal or not.. or something else..
LoL...
Good I hope that we can discuss this without being disagreeable. This is fun speculation for me as well.
The point of course is that space/time is created as the universe expands. There is a beginning of space and time. Without space/time, there is no physical causation. In the absence of space, things cannot exist. In the absence of time, events cannot occur.
Or to put it another way, there must be an uncaused cause of causation, a first cause. His Name is I AM. But you can call Him God the Creator.
You simply jumped to an unwarranted conclusion. How do you know that every black hole in our universe isn't creating a new Universe beyond the event horizon? And how do you know that our Universe isn't the result of many big bangs, almost all of them hidden beyond our own event horizon?
Other "matter from geometry" theories include P.S. Wesson's Five Dimensional Relativity and Two Times and Cumrun Vafa's f-theory.
Your sources seems to be a reworking of Kaluza-Klein based on a singularity, basically the Jewish Mystics Aleph Null concept. If and when String theories ever get any experimental backing it will be interesting to see which ones were closest to the mark. Even if matter is from geometry, we are still in space and time, it is the space and time that creates the geometry.
Christians do not usually use a "methodological naturalism" friendly term such as "mathematical structures" when speaking of the beyond space/time but rather, Logos which is translated both as Logic and Word:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. - John 1:1-4
That is interesting : ) So let me see if I translated it properly?
In the beginning was the logic, and the logic was with God, and the logic was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by logic; and without logic was not any thing made that was made. In logic was life; and the life was the light of men. - John 1:1-4
Hmm and since math is pure logic, math (pure logic) created the Universe. I will have to think about that : )
Yes but we don't live in a linear universe, think of x,y,z,t (vectors) all together as a tensor : )
Past, present, future are not dimensions.. they are linear points of reference.. in a lineal mental construct.. It could be they are not hard points either.. but liquid points of reference..
You mean a scalar. I think you have it backwards, Time (the speed of light) is the only fixed point. Everything else is Relative : )
Its all dependant on whether the universe is lineal or not.. or something else..
QM is definitely not linear. Depending on how you measure it, it may be your choice : )
When speaking of relativity I normally use planes and cubes which are easier to conceptualize than warped space/time.
Special Relativity applies to the theoretical four dimensional hypercube; General Relativity, to actual four dimensional warped space/time.
High positive gravity regions (e.g. stars, dark matter, black holes) are indentations in space/time. In that geometry, light bends, time slows, etc.
Conversely, negative gravity regions which some speculate would include dark energy or the space between galaxies would be space/time outdents - accelerating the expansion of the universe.
Conceptualize a photon being sent to earth when a star was one billion light years away reaching earth ten billion years after it was sent (and the star long since gone.) The speed of the light did not change, four dimensional space/time expanded.
Some physicists speculate that gravity is inter-dimensional with an expanded dimension of space/time thus accounting for it being so small in comparison to the other fundamental fields and such a difficulty in unification theories.
The bottom line is that matter and its behavior has a direct correlation to the geometry of space/time. Thus it was Einstein's dream to transmute the base wood of matter to the pure marble of geometry.
Or to put it another way, some view matter being created by the space/time geometry and some view space/time geometry being created by the matter/energy. Einstein, Tegmark, Vafa, Wesson, et al (including Alamo-Girl) see the geometry as the "marble."
Recently CERN brought online the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) which will be able to affirm or falsify the Standard Model theory of the Higgs boson which in theory accounts for particle mass. If the Higgs boson is not found, physicists will no doubt turn to the extra dimensional theories which are already in currency to explain particle mass.
The Wesson Five Dimensional Relativity Two Times theory posits that the 1080 particles in the observable four dimensional universe are actually multiply imaged from as little as a single particle in an expanded time like fifth dimension. Tegmark, in his Level IV Parallel Universe model, sees the mathematical structures outside space and time as the reality which manifests what we observers "in" space/time detect.
Other theories suggest the observable particles are massless, their apparent masses corresponding to momentum components in an extra dimension.
The essential "cut" between geometric models are those which call for fewer expanded dimensions (e.g. a fifth time or time-like dimension) and those which call for many compactified extra dimensions, i.e. Kaluza Klein theories (string theories et al.)
And some string theorists (and Jewish mystics) posit that the vibrating strings manifest what we observe as particles in four dimensional space/time.
In the view of some Jewish mystics, the "firmament" is not geometric but a limiting boundary between our four dimensional perceptible sense of what is "real" (earthy) and the whole of creation (physical and spiritual, earthy and heavenly) - e.g. the speed of light.
Conceptualize five dimensions, two temporal, three spatial.
Expanded into what?...
Something expanded into something.. what is that something?..
Is "SPACE" something?.. or NOTHING?..
How can space be NOTHING?.. Even nothing is something..
I am left to assume that space(nothing) is something..
Probably dark energy/matter (what ever that is)..
That galaxys are "swimming" in dark energy..
i.e. producing the swirl effect(friction).. or universal coriolis force..
All that being said... I do believe in the/A Spiritual Dimension/realm..
Existing at the same time as this elastic universe..
The/this bubble universe must exist in something..
This is fun.. welcome to my sandbox.. building sand castles is OK...
Watch out for the Shroedingers Cat poop though..
Cats love sand boxes too..
Space and time (of however many dimensions) doesn't "create" the geometry of the cosmos, it "is" the geometry of the cosmos.
The Jewish mystics use the term Ayn Sof to describe God the Creator of all that there is. Basically Ayn Sof means “no-thing” — One without end from which all being emerges and into which all being dissolves.
In the beginning was the logic, and the logic was with God, and the logic was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by logic; and without logic was not any thing made that was made. In logic was life; and the life was the light of men. - John 1:1-4
Hmm and since math is pure logic, math (pure logic) created the Universe. I will have to think about that : )
Man is not the measure of God.
If you are willing to conceptualize “all that there is” in mathematical Platonism terms then perhaps you will also lay aside any such anthropomorphisms and come closer to seeing what we Christians and Jews see, namely that God IS. Time and space and physical causation are part of the creation, not limitations or properties of the Creator - and that all we can know of God is what He personally reveals to us.
But more importantly, the words of God are spirit and life. Only those with “ears to hear” can hear them. The people Jesus is addressing below were physically hearing Him (pressure waves) but they could spiritually hear Him.
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. – John 6:63
The universe doesn't expand "into" anything.
That concept is the most difficult part of the big bang/inflationary model of this universe. But it has been consistently affirmed by measurements since the 1960's.
If the universe is not expanding into anything it is possible that the universe only appears to be expanding when it isn't expanding at all.. only revolving.. Revolving in a fixed space and time.. until maximum growth is reached..
When God may institute another Cosmology..
This universal paradigm may be fetusoid or pregnant for some other event(s)..
That the real show hasnt even started YET..
You know, as the bible indicates.. especially the book of Revelation or Daniel..
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