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Antievolutionists asked to review draft standards in Texas
The National Center for Science Education ^ | October 16, 2008

Posted on 10/17/2008 7:59:18 AM PDT by Soliton

Three antievolutionists have been appointed to a six-member committee to review the draft set of Texas state science standards, and defenders of the integrity of science education in the Lone Star state are livid. "The committee was chosen by 12 of the 15 members of the board of education, with each panel member receiving the support of two board members," as the Dallas Morning News (October 16, 2008) explains. Six members of the board "aligned with social conservative groups" chose Stephen C. Meyer, the director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, Ralph Seelke, a biology professor at the University of Wiconsin, Superior, and Charles Garner, a chemistry professor at Baylor University.

Meyer, Seelke, and Garner are all signatories of the Discovery Institute-sponsored "Dissent from Darwinism" statement. Meyer and Seelke are also coauthors of Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism (Hill House, 2008), which, like Of Pandas and People, is a supplementary textbook that is intended to instill scientifically unwarranted doubts about evolution. A recent review by biologist John Timmer summarized, "But the book doesn't only promote stupidity, it demands it. In every way except its use of the actual term, this is a creationist book." Garner reportedly told the Houston Press (December 14, 2000) that he "criticizes evolutionary theory in class."

Meyer and Seelke also testified in the 2005 "kangaroo court" hearings held by three antievolutionist members of the Kansas state board of education, in which a parade of antievolutionist witnesses expressed their support for the so-called minority report version of the state science standards (written with the aid of a local "intelligent design" organization), complained of repression by a dogmatic evolutionary establishment, and claimed to have detected atheism lurking "between the lines" of the standards..

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TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution; id; scientism
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To: Coyoteman; metmom
How about knocking off the rants and just tell me what scientific challenge you see to the theory of evolution.

Perhaps start with actually reading the chemist's NON-religious, scientific ideas, and then imagine the multiple admissions by your peers that evolution is just a tool God's using, therby technically making evolution itself intelligent design.

See if you're capable of not ranting yourself about "Theocracy", "dark ages" or "burnings at the stake" for just this once.It should be a great challenge for you!I'd be willing to bet folks on both sides of the aisle are pulling for you!

581 posted on 10/20/2008 8:33:35 AM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
MORE disturbing is taking up for bambi and bashing the average American exploiting bambi's fascade

Obama pimping, Palin smearing, Global Warming nonsense...

No surprises.

582 posted on 10/20/2008 8:34:08 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Most people who accept the theory of evolution don't use it to define any of those things either.

Most people who accept the theory of evolution use it as a replacement for parts of their other religious views. People with no theistic religion use evolution to release them from any religous views and default to materialism.

583 posted on 10/20/2008 8:35:45 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Proverbs 24:21 My son, fear the LORD and the king; Do not associate with those given to CHANGE)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I'm just trying to find out how many unsuccessful attempts are needed before you say it is irreproducible.

Still backwards. A successful attempt is needed to show an experiment is reproducible. You're so desperate to believe on faith alone.

584 posted on 10/20/2008 8:36:10 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: tpanther
Perhaps start with actually reading the chemist's NON-religious, scientific ideas, and then imagine the multiple admissions by your peers that evolution is just a tool God's using, therby technically making evolution itself intelligent design.

I asked for scientific challenges to the theory of evolution. I am not interested in anyone's religious beliefs, just the scientific challenges.

Please provide, or link, to such.

585 posted on 10/20/2008 8:37:19 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Mojave
A successful attempt is needed to show an experiment is reproducible.

Is cold fusion reproducible?

How old were you when you decided Creationism was not science?

586 posted on 10/20/2008 8:37:23 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: tacticalogic
Because I think when you jump into the middle of a converstion I'm having with someone else to answer a question I asked them, you assume the responsibility for understanding and remembering what the question is.

The problem with that is you avoid answering my questions right along with everyone else you engage. The only telling consistency is you routinely avoid giving straight answers, or answer questions with questions. The predictable results of defending the untenable.

587 posted on 10/20/2008 8:38:07 AM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: DungeonMaster

“The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practices of Germany conform to the theory of evolution” —Evolutionary anthropologist Sir Arthur Keith


588 posted on 10/20/2008 8:39:51 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Is cold fusion reproducible?

Fleischmann and Pons insisted that they were able to reproduce their own experiment, the same false defense tendered here.

Another great foot shot!

589 posted on 10/20/2008 8:42:49 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: tpanther
The problem with that is you avoid answering my questions right along with everyone else you engage. The only telling consistency is you routinely avoid giving straight answers, or answer questions with questions. The predictable results of defending the untenable.

Nobody made you inject yourself in that discussion. If you don't like the results then don't do it.

590 posted on 10/20/2008 8:43:32 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Mojave
“The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practices of Germany conform to the theory of evolution” —Evolutionary anthropologist Sir Arthur Keith

Bob Larson interviewed Shreck and Zena Levay the high priest and preistess of Satanism several years ago. They were clearly 100 percent evolutionists with scarcely a spiritual bone in their bodies.

591 posted on 10/20/2008 8:47:20 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Proverbs 24:21 My son, fear the LORD and the king; Do not associate with those given to CHANGE)
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To: Mojave

Is cold fusion reproducible?


592 posted on 10/20/2008 9:58:54 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Is cold fusion reproducible?

By your standard it is. Fleischmann and Pons claimed that they were able to reproduce their own experiment.

593 posted on 10/20/2008 10:03:36 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

By your standard, is cold fusion reproducible?


594 posted on 10/20/2008 10:05:52 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Mojave

How old were you when you decided Creationism was not science?


595 posted on 10/20/2008 10:06:30 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
By your standard, is cold fusion reproducible?

Independent researchers have not reproduced it. Sound familiar?

596 posted on 10/20/2008 10:08:44 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

By your standard, is cold fusion reproducible?


597 posted on 10/20/2008 10:15:12 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2108022/posts?page=596#596


598 posted on 10/20/2008 10:16:27 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2108022/posts?page=597#597
599 posted on 10/20/2008 10:18:17 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

600 posted on 10/20/2008 10:19:44 AM PDT by Mojave
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