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Antievolutionists asked to review draft standards in Texas
The National Center for Science Education ^ | October 16, 2008

Posted on 10/17/2008 7:59:18 AM PDT by Soliton

Three antievolutionists have been appointed to a six-member committee to review the draft set of Texas state science standards, and defenders of the integrity of science education in the Lone Star state are livid. "The committee was chosen by 12 of the 15 members of the board of education, with each panel member receiving the support of two board members," as the Dallas Morning News (October 16, 2008) explains. Six members of the board "aligned with social conservative groups" chose Stephen C. Meyer, the director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, Ralph Seelke, a biology professor at the University of Wiconsin, Superior, and Charles Garner, a chemistry professor at Baylor University.

Meyer, Seelke, and Garner are all signatories of the Discovery Institute-sponsored "Dissent from Darwinism" statement. Meyer and Seelke are also coauthors of Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism (Hill House, 2008), which, like Of Pandas and People, is a supplementary textbook that is intended to instill scientifically unwarranted doubts about evolution. A recent review by biologist John Timmer summarized, "But the book doesn't only promote stupidity, it demands it. In every way except its use of the actual term, this is a creationist book." Garner reportedly told the Houston Press (December 14, 2000) that he "criticizes evolutionary theory in class."

Meyer and Seelke also testified in the 2005 "kangaroo court" hearings held by three antievolutionist members of the Kansas state board of education, in which a parade of antievolutionist witnesses expressed their support for the so-called minority report version of the state science standards (written with the aid of a local "intelligent design" organization), complained of repression by a dogmatic evolutionary establishment, and claimed to have detected atheism lurking "between the lines" of the standards..

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TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution; id; scientism
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I'd be satisfied with the list of all the times it was tried and failed.

Every time, judging by the lack of any successes. Lemme know if you ever come up with one.

321 posted on 10/18/2008 7:00:39 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Every time,

No source? I'm shocked. LOL!

322 posted on 10/18/2008 7:01:24 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
No source?

You've haven't produced one. The experiment is reproducible, even though there is no record of it ever having been successfully reproduced.

Alexis Carrel all over again.

323 posted on 10/18/2008 7:04:04 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Fichori
Unless you can extract DNA from that fossil, all it tells you is that it died.

Nothing more.

That is not correct. That might be all that you could glean from such a specimen, but your lack of knowledge in the field does not so limit others.

Mrs. Ples (the fossil's nickname) was one of my favorites in graduate school, and I spent hours with a cast resembling the one on the left in my post. I learned a lot, but nothing like the experts who have studied the field for forty years or more.

But that's nothing. You obviously know more than they do, so why don't you tell us all about it?

324 posted on 10/18/2008 7:06:23 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Mojave
The experiment is reproducible

That was quick.

325 posted on 10/18/2008 7:06:38 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

That was sarcasm. “The experiment is reproducible, even though there is no record of it ever having been successfully reproduced.”

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9A0CE6D9123FE633A25757C1A96F9C946296D6CF


326 posted on 10/18/2008 7:08:44 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Coyoteman

Empirically speaking, you are wrong.


327 posted on 10/18/2008 7:12:41 PM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: Mojave
No source that says the E. coli long-term evolution experiment is non-reproducible?
328 posted on 10/18/2008 7:15:32 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Mojave
Lemme know if you ever come up with one.

Other scientists are watching individual microbes evolve into entire ecosystems. Paul Rainey, a biologist at the New Zealand Institute for Advanced Study at Massey University, has observed this evolution in bacteria, called Pseudomonas fluorescens, that live on plants. When he put a single Pseudomonas in a flask, it produced descendants that floated in the broth, feeding on nutrients. But within a few hundred generations, some of its descendants mutated and took up new ways of life. One strain began to form fuzzy carpets on the bottom of the flask. Another formed a mat of cellulose, where it could take in oxygen from above and food from below.

Fast-Reproducing Microbes Provide a Window on Natural Selection

329 posted on 10/18/2008 7:53:44 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You don’t need no steenking experimental verification. Very special rules for very special truths. Just like Global Warming®!


330 posted on 10/18/2008 7:54:50 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Peppered moths.


331 posted on 10/18/2008 7:55:48 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
You don’t need no steenking experimental verification.

Where are the experiments for Creationism again? LOL!

332 posted on 10/18/2008 7:57:59 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Mojave

I don’t remember those experiments. You have a link? Maybe a Bible passage?


333 posted on 10/18/2008 7:58:55 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Where are the experiments for Creationism again?

Inside your strawman.

334 posted on 10/18/2008 7:59:22 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
All you have to do is show one example.

You're welcome.

335 posted on 10/18/2008 8:00:25 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I don’t remember those experiments.

How could you? There's never been a successful experimental replication of the results.

But you knew that.

336 posted on 10/18/2008 8:00:41 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You're welcome.

For what?

337 posted on 10/18/2008 8:01:36 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
There's never been a successful experimental replication of the results.

For peppered moths, I know.

338 posted on 10/18/2008 8:02:48 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Mojave

For providing the evidence that you asked for.


339 posted on 10/18/2008 8:03:12 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
For peppered moths, I know.

True that. The theory that the peppered moths were the result of mutations was never experimentally confirmed.

Nice foot shot.

340 posted on 10/18/2008 8:04:33 PM PDT by Mojave
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