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Antievolutionists asked to review draft standards in Texas
The National Center for Science Education ^ | October 16, 2008

Posted on 10/17/2008 7:59:18 AM PDT by Soliton

Three antievolutionists have been appointed to a six-member committee to review the draft set of Texas state science standards, and defenders of the integrity of science education in the Lone Star state are livid. "The committee was chosen by 12 of the 15 members of the board of education, with each panel member receiving the support of two board members," as the Dallas Morning News (October 16, 2008) explains. Six members of the board "aligned with social conservative groups" chose Stephen C. Meyer, the director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, Ralph Seelke, a biology professor at the University of Wiconsin, Superior, and Charles Garner, a chemistry professor at Baylor University.

Meyer, Seelke, and Garner are all signatories of the Discovery Institute-sponsored "Dissent from Darwinism" statement. Meyer and Seelke are also coauthors of Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism (Hill House, 2008), which, like Of Pandas and People, is a supplementary textbook that is intended to instill scientifically unwarranted doubts about evolution. A recent review by biologist John Timmer summarized, "But the book doesn't only promote stupidity, it demands it. In every way except its use of the actual term, this is a creationist book." Garner reportedly told the Houston Press (December 14, 2000) that he "criticizes evolutionary theory in class."

Meyer and Seelke also testified in the 2005 "kangaroo court" hearings held by three antievolutionist members of the Kansas state board of education, in which a parade of antievolutionist witnesses expressed their support for the so-called minority report version of the state science standards (written with the aid of a local "intelligent design" organization), complained of repression by a dogmatic evolutionary establishment, and claimed to have detected atheism lurking "between the lines" of the standards..

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TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution; id; scientism
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To: allmendream
Any change in genetic material is mutation by definition.

Some preexisting genes within a species can become more common than other preexisting genes within a gene pool. You dance so awkwardly.

201 posted on 10/17/2008 10:45:11 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: scottdeus12

Well said.


202 posted on 10/17/2008 11:30:56 PM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: Mojave

lol


203 posted on 10/17/2008 11:32:28 PM PDT by Force of Truth (As to the bailout: Cui bono?: Follow the money.)
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To: Soliton
Diluting science education in the name of one religion.

Correction. These are scientists who don't follow your religion.

204 posted on 10/17/2008 11:39:13 PM PDT by Force of Truth (As to the bailout: Cui bono?: Follow the money.)
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To: Mojave

I wouldn’t have thought it was possible to set the ignorance-meets-arrogance bar higher than it already had been in these discussions, but you’ve managed to surprise me. Congratulations.


205 posted on 10/17/2008 11:39:21 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Pure ad hominem hypocrisy. Congratulations to you.


206 posted on 10/17/2008 11:54:54 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Force of Truth

The resident “scientists” are amazing, aren’t they?


207 posted on 10/17/2008 11:58:54 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Coyoteman; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
“What creationists and creation "scientists" do is the opposite of the scientific method. They start with an a priori belief and twist, manipulate, or ignore the data to make things fit that belief.” [excerpt]
Do scientists look for hemoglobin in dinosaur bones?
208 posted on 10/18/2008 12:03:05 AM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: Mojave

Calling you ignorant and arrogant is not an ad hominem. Claiming that your arguments are worthless because you’re ignorant and arrogant, would be. But I didn’t say that. Perhaps if you actually made some arguments rather than simply sniping, I could work something up.


209 posted on 10/18/2008 12:18:36 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Calling you ignorant and arrogant is not an ad hominem.

An ad hominem attack is "marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made..."

Get a dictionary.

210 posted on 10/18/2008 12:21:13 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Force of Truth
These are scientists who don't follow your religion.

Bullseye.

211 posted on 10/18/2008 12:23:10 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Soliton

Wrong. “Truth will out.”

These men studied, earned their degrees. They will most likely ensure that the facts are reported, and keep the philosophical out of the guidelines. Call them to task on any factual error, but not for their world views.

As to your own error: most religions have a creation narrative. The Judeo-Christian and Islamic traditions share the same one.


212 posted on 10/18/2008 12:27:45 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Soliton; All

That “Dissent” reads “We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/
Wow. Scary


213 posted on 10/18/2008 12:36:50 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Mojave
Get a dictionary.

Got several, thanks. Ad hominem is an adjective that refers to a type of argument. I did not make an argument.

Dictionaries don't help people who can't understand what they're saying.

214 posted on 10/18/2008 12:47:13 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: hocndoc
Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.

This is where the hidden agenda comes in. These three people have written for The Discovery Institue. The Discovery Institue published a text book on "Creation Science". Teaching "Creation Science" in PUBLIC schools was found to violate the Constitution by SCOTUS so they deleted "Creation Science" and substituted "Intelligent Design" in its place. State courts have found that "Intelligent Design" is just another name for "Creation Science", so the Discover Institute has changed tactics again. The tactics may have changed, but their purpose has not. This innocuouse sounding proposal is designed to allow teachers enough wiggle room to sneak creationism in the back door. Teachers, by the way, can already discuss the percieved weaker points of the ToE.

215 posted on 10/18/2008 1:12:43 AM PDT by Soliton (Faithis an act of love; Love is an act of faith)
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To: Soliton
"Three antievolutionists..."

Nothing like poisoning the well of rational criticism...

216 posted on 10/18/2008 1:15:14 AM PDT by csense
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To: hocndoc
As to your own error: most religions have a creation narrative. The Judeo-Christian and Islamic traditions share the same one.

But they only want to teach the literal interpretation of Genesis. Creationists do not push for the Norse or Hindu creation "narratives" (did you have to retype this after you typed "myth" the first time?). The truth is that many Jews and Christians have no problem with evolution. It is fundamentalists that do. For some reason they apparently can't get their kids to go to Sunday school, so they want to turn public schools into Sunday schools to teach their one subset of Judeo Christian beliefs to ALL children regardless of their faiths.

217 posted on 10/18/2008 1:21:56 AM PDT by Soliton (Faith is an act of love; Love is an act of faith)
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To: csense
"Three antievolutionists..."

I believe they prefer this. If you call them what they are, creationists, it undermines their hidden agenda.

218 posted on 10/18/2008 1:23:55 AM PDT by Soliton (Faith is an act of love; Love is an act of faith)
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To: Soliton

This is the draft standard in Texas.

219 posted on 10/18/2008 1:29:54 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
I did not make an argument.

Yep. You were incompetent to formulate one, so you resorted to an ad hominem attack. I don't blame you for being afraid.

220 posted on 10/18/2008 3:02:38 AM PDT by Mojave
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