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The Coming Second Civil War
quesney | quesney

Posted on 09/26/2008 1:08:20 PM PDT by quesney

Folks, A profound schism in American society has been exposed and laid bare over the following years — since 9/11, through the events of Iraq to the monstrously socialist bailout of the present day.

John Edwards was right. There are Two Americas, and it is my fear that they fundamentally incompatible and irreconcilable.

We are headed for a conflict, decades in the making, approaching the intensity, scope and chaos of The Civil War.

I don't know what shape it will take or exactly when it will happen. I only know for certain it is coming and it will be messy. I only know for certain that I have little or nothing in common with "fellow Americans" such as Obama, Pelosi and a good chunk of the liberal "opposition", which I increasingly consider nothing more than a euphemism for people I consider aliens, at best.

The space for civilized debate is fast disappearing, when dealing with an "opposition" repeatedly ready to lie, cheat, distort, steal and compromise our national security, sovereignty and founding principles and repeatedly ready to abandon basic manners, civility, reality and logic, all of which are the fundamental basis for civilized debate. What do you call an "opposition" like that. Is it a threat that can be "deabted" with no longer?

I pray the coming conflict and confrontation is not violent, but it will be no less profound and no less significant than the first Civil War.

The very basic issue to be decided is just what is the United States of America, whether the Constitution no more than a piece of paper signifying nothing but pretense and old memories and whether there are still those prepared to fight for it.

Maybe principled leadership will arise that can prevent it. But I think things are rapidly developing beyond the capacity of any one figure -- however Reagenesque or Churchillian -- to stop what I fear is coming.


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To: Little Ray
In that case the USA is dissolved and everybody is fighting for their own little gangs and patches.

You can expect World War IV to start soon thereafter with the Chinese, Iran and Russians going after everyone still standing.

101 posted on 09/26/2008 2:43:45 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (McCain/Palin 2008 : Palin the Paladin 2012)
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To: dragnet2

Thank you!


102 posted on 09/26/2008 2:45:41 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: jennguhl

Another reason for term limits and line item veto’s.


103 posted on 09/26/2008 2:46:04 PM PDT by RC2
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To: dragnet2
500,000 illegal aliens and their supporters march on Dallas Texas, making demands and threats. 2007.

It's amazing that THEY can get that many people together for their ILLEGAL demands, but we can't get half that many to DEMAND the tax system be revised to include EVERYBODY to pay their fair share.

Simply put, nobody cares.

104 posted on 09/26/2008 2:47:34 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: quesney

What will prevent this from happening and shut these people up for a while is a landslide victory from McCain. The Dinosaur media will continue to dwindle and the Left will continue with their excuses.


105 posted on 09/26/2008 2:50:56 PM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: School of Rational Thought
They don't fight for the job because most jobs the illegal hispanic immigrants overwhelming manual labor and farming. It seems a lot of blacks have something against doing those jobs though I can't imagine why. ;)
Unemployment for whites are rising not blacks.
Hispanics are actually losing a lot of jobs, restaurants are cutting back a lot and cutting hours of their workers illegal or not so they are not making much money right now either.
106 posted on 09/26/2008 2:52:35 PM PDT by jennguhl (Let's stop letting the minority dictate the majority.)
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To: quesney

You must not remember the sixties, we are in calm, placid times right now.


107 posted on 09/26/2008 2:53:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (There will be more than one "October surprise" this time. Count on it.)
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To: Little Ray

Everybody is thinking of the US Civil War — which was a specific type of civil war (a regional secession movement).

I agree with you, Ray. There is no regional component to this conflict to crystalize it along historically familiar lines. It’s much more likely to be civil unrest. A renewed interest in civilian militias (which the Media will portray as Cults or Organized Crime). Widespread civil disobedience (including tax evasion).

Maybe closer to that schlockey Kevin Costner movie, “The Postman”, but without the post-apocalyptic overtones.


108 posted on 09/26/2008 2:54:45 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: unixfox
The reason? They want what we already have and built.

It seems their desire to take it has been greater, and was met with apathy, or many just didn't want to believe what was happening. Lets hope it's not too late.

109 posted on 09/26/2008 2:54:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (We are witnessing the biggest expansion of government in American history)
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To: quesney

Before someone raises the dread “S” word (sedition), it might be worthwhile to point out that our enemy will not be the lawfully constituted government per se, but the shadow government of NGOs, activist gangs like ACORN, the media industrial complex, and the leftists who hijacked the education system in the 1960s.


110 posted on 09/26/2008 2:55:39 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: FlipWilson

Good, my side has most of the guns and a ton of military training.

I am with you.


111 posted on 09/26/2008 2:56:11 PM PDT by Big Horn (I bac Mac)
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To: mel
I know that my husband has invested heavily in precious metals. Not gold or silver, but lead.

Please tell him to be careful! Lead is toxic you know. It is best stored encased in copper and contained in a brass holder. If it becomes necessary for safety reasons, to dispose of toxic lead which has been stored in this manner, it is best to propel it away from you at a very high rate of speed. In this way you will have minimum of exposure to the lead.

Hope this helps.

112 posted on 09/26/2008 2:59:13 PM PDT by Blackhawk
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To: Candor7

Weimar America.


113 posted on 09/26/2008 3:01:50 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: School of Rational Thought
Unemployment is rising but can anyone cite where blacks have come out against illegals?

There has been plenty of friction between blacks and hispanics over jobs and turf. Black leaders have been reluctant to discuss it and prefer to sell out their community to win favor and benefit personally. I am part of a grassroots immigrant activist group fighting illegal immigration as well as changing our legal immigration policies. One part of our group is involved in DC, called Defend DC. I can tell you that there are plenty of blacks who are very upset with illegal immigration. And why shouldn't they be, with the current BLS statistics for August showing an unemployement rate for blacks of 10.6% compared to the national average of 6.1%. And the rates are much higher in urban areas and among teenages and young adults.

I attended this Brookings prsentation yesterday on the subject of the media and immigration. If you download the full report, you will see public opinion polls showing that blacks' attitutdes towards illegal immigration and amnesty track with those of non-Hispanic whites. It was discussed briefly at the conference with the consensus being that blacks are more directly affected because they are competing with immigrants over low skilled jobs.

Here is an article from the University of Chicago exploring the relationship between immigration—both legal and illegal—and African American employment. It is sobering to say the least.

Blacks won’t and don’t fight to work

That is just racist nonsense. What we have is a collapse of the family structure [68% of blacks are born out of wedlock with Hispanics next at 50%], poverty, a failed educational system that sees dropout rates as high as 75% in cities like Detroit and about 50% nationally [the Hispanic dropout rate is even higher], and rampant drug use. Half of the children under 5 today are minorities and by 2023 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities. By 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities and by 2050 one in five will be foreign born. Demography is destiny.

Professor Samuel P. Huntington of Harvard predicted in his 2004 article in Foreign Affairs, the Hispanic Challenge, that blacks and Hispanics will be pitted against one another as they fight over unskilled jobs.

Here is a good article about the pitched gang/racial battles being fought in LA over turf and drugs as blacks are being displaced by Hispanics neighborhood by neighborhood. California is the canary in the coal mine when it comes to demonstrating what this entire country may look like within the next 50 years.

114 posted on 09/26/2008 3:06:10 PM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Nice rant!

Until you are ready to die for your neighbor and he for you this is all just mental jerking off.

115 posted on 09/26/2008 3:06:14 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never mess with an old man, he will just kill you.)
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To: quesney
I only know for certain it is coming and it will be messy

Civil war? Don't fear because it will never happen.

The braggadocio gun owners with their nice homes, nice cars and kids in school will never cross the line of insurrection. Their 2nd Amendment right will take a back seat to losing their walk around and buy things rights.

Insurrection should have occurred on behalf of Randy Weaver but nothing happened. Insurrection should have occurred when the various firearms stores around the country were busted by the BATF in trumped up charges but nothing happened.

Sorry to inform you but folks in this country are too darn comfortable in their perfect worlds to get involved in a messy civil war............

Maybe when the kids are too old for soccer or baseball or football but not right now............

116 posted on 09/26/2008 3:07:35 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Polar bears who suffer depression and anxiety due to the global warming threat are bi-polar bears)
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To: quesney
From my homepage years old...

I have updated my FMCDH (From My Cold Dead Hands) sign-off with the addition of (BITS).....Blood In The Streets, which I foresee coming soon, due to the enormous increase of the Marxist progressive movement being shoved down the throat of this failing REPUBLIC through the Judicial tyranny of fiat law, the passing of unconstitutional laws by the Legislative and Executive branches of our government and the enormous tax burden placed upon the average American to support unconstitutional programs put forth by Marxist ideology. I do not advocate revolution. I only think of what I foresee.

FMCDH(BITS)

117 posted on 09/26/2008 3:13:21 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: quesney
I'm not sure about civil war, the term has become so loaded. I see the country headed towards "mere anarchy" as Yeats put it. A long, withering, bitter dissolution of morality, of character, decency, laws, civility, decorum....a kind of endless end without war, without battles, without opposing principles or philosophies. Just a sad, miserable denouement. Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world. I need some Maker's Mark.
118 posted on 09/26/2008 3:14:41 PM PDT by macamadamia (Life is a continuation of war by other means.)
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To: quesney
There are Two Americas,

producers vs parasites. Its time for the producers to shrug.

119 posted on 09/26/2008 3:17:20 PM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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To: conservativegramma
I know I intend to buy a gun on November 5th

Don't wait until then. One gun a month, remember?

120 posted on 09/26/2008 3:33:39 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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