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Good Read.
1 posted on 09/14/2008 3:22:10 AM PDT by a_chronic_whiner
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I agree. I am sending this to a liberal I know.


2 posted on 09/14/2008 3:34:06 AM PDT by defconw ("Hope is not a strategy")
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To: a_chronic_whiner

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3 posted on 09/14/2008 3:53:19 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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Some have simply chosen not to work. It’s not that our economy doesn’t work for most of the poor, but that most of the poor don’t work.

Well, we all know who they will vote for, but probably the hardest decision they will have to make on election day...do I go to the polls before or after Oprah.

And I guess thay may depend on how many times they plan to vote that day.

4 posted on 09/14/2008 4:01:40 AM PDT by OBXWanderer (Now is the time for all good men [and women] to come to the aid of their country.)
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Reminds me of a conversation with a high school counselor friend of mine. Who was having a meeting along with school administration about a troubled youth. His foster parents were attending in order to provide background information. They went into a long dissertation about their ability to care for and provide for the youth. The dissertation included the fact that they were quote, “living the American dream”.

Previous to the quote was the income background of SSI, disability income, food stamps, and a few other hands in the welfare pocket. Neither one of them worked and the American Dream quote nearly knocked all of them out of their chairs.


5 posted on 09/14/2008 4:02:58 AM PDT by wita
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An excellent analysis. This dovetails with much of the data and analysis in The Bell Curve.

One of the worst and most persistent problems with public policy formulation in the United States is the fact that the assumptions underlying policy decisions are fundamentally wrong.

If those in poverty will not or cannot work, increasing wages, creating jobs and overall trends in the economy are irrelevant to their economic situation, except for the impact of those things on the amount of revenue that can be appropriated by the government and redistributed.

In some ways, it seems it is time to stop focusing on the poor, per se. Today the poor have many ways "up," but they can't be forced to want to stop being poor. Not only do we make wrong assumptions about how increased economic opportunity affects poverty rates, we blithely assume without real data, and no historical precedent, that those in poverty lack only economic opportunity, not desire to take advantage of such opportunity.

At some point, when society has removed all significant obstacles to the "flight of the willing and able" from poverty, it has done its job. After that, it is up to those who are willing and able to flee poverty to do so for themselves. And, in large part, they do; that's why the permanent underclass is becoming more and more concentrated, and why it is enlarging mostly by children being born directly into that permanent poverty.

Bottom line: poverty rates don't tell very much about the economy.

7 posted on 09/14/2008 4:29:00 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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Great article. It's amazing how the democrats are credited with being the ‘party of nuance’ who think through issues and look at all the complexities. In reality, they are the party of slogans and tend to distill issues down into inaccurate sound bite simplicity that fits their political agenda. “Republican economic policies hurt the poor.” “The uninsured don't receive medical treatment.” “Humans are responsible for all climate change.” “War is bad and peace is good.” etc., etc.
9 posted on 09/14/2008 4:32:05 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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Yes, a very worthwhile read. Thank you for posting this article.

Mr. Malanga covers the true basics of the myths surrounding the palliatives proffered by politicians and demogagues.

Finding solutions to these problems is far more complicated and politically risky than offering palliatives about minimum wage hikes or tax cuts. To address the issue of the more than 80 percent of poor families where no one works full time requires figuring out how to dissuade poor girls without a high school education from having children by a man who won’t marry and support them. It also requires doing a much better job helping make ex-convicts--the 700,000 or so mostly men who leave prison each year--more employable. And it requires finding more successful ways of helping alcoholics and drug addicts—who make up a sizeable portion of those who say they can’t work because they are ill—get straight and stay clean.

Mr. Malanga has said a very unorthodox thing which has made me smile and because it's what I've been saying for way too many years:

figuring out how to dissuade poor girls without a high school education from having children by a man who won’t marry and support them.

The past 40 years has been the feminist demand for a man to "keep it in his pants". I, OTOH, have always asserted that it was females we needed to focus on in this regard. If she doesn't uncross her legs, his "it" has no where to go. Feminists don't like this response. But Mr. Malanga is right to focus upon the female in this equasion. For many reasons. And to add that "having children by a man who won’t marry and support them" in addendum to the focus.

Most of these males who won't marry and support their baby's mother, don't marry the mother and because... they can't afford to. IME, most can't afford to because they often have little more than what amounts to a 1st grade literacy level. And many are held hostage by "their culture" from advancing, breaking away from the pack, improving themselves, and living free.

10 posted on 09/14/2008 4:38:37 AM PDT by Alia
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Earl Shorris and the various people who teach this might have a perspective worth noting: http://www.gw.edu/misc/radio/articles/Earl%20Shorris.pdf


16 posted on 09/14/2008 4:54:54 AM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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A neighbor workd for “Social Services”. She is a lib but even she is pissed at the money we throw away to better the lot of our “poor”. Here in NYS air conditioning is classified as a utility. Every housing project in my county is a garden apartment in a park-like setting with through the wall AC.


19 posted on 09/14/2008 5:05:38 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Tolik

for your consideration


21 posted on 09/14/2008 5:14:13 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (don't worry, they only want to take water out of the other guy's side of the bucket.)
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We seem to be getting the "to each according to their need" but we have left off "From each according to their ability".
26 posted on 09/14/2008 5:58:00 AM PDT by listenhillary (Palin accomplished more in the PTA than Obama did as a community organizer)
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The only Dem whoever understood any of this was Daniel Patrick Moynihan.


27 posted on 09/14/2008 6:21:10 AM PDT by yazoo
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It’s not that our economy doesn’t work for most of the poor, but that most of the poor don’t work. Finally, the truth is written.
29 posted on 09/14/2008 8:02:58 AM PDT by kalee
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“In America, The Poor Don’t Work”

That’s why they’re poor. It’s the same everywhere.


31 posted on 09/14/2008 9:20:42 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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