...car on a bridge leading through the mangrove swamps, leading to Mexcaltitán.
Posted on 09/02/2008 9:51:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
For local officials and some historians, Mexcaltitan is nothing less than the mythical Aztlan, birthplace of the ancient Aztecs. According to legend, the Aztecs left an island in 1091 and wandered for two centuries before settling in what is now Mexico City. There, they founded the legendary city of Tenochtitlan, an island city of canals and floating gardens, and lorded over an empire that stretched from Guatemala to northern Mexico before the Spanish conquered them in 1521...
In Mexcaltitan, located in the Pacific state of Nayarit, clues that this was once Aztlan are tantalizing. In Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs (who called themselves the Mexica), Aztlan means "place of whiteness" or "place of herons." And the village is indeed a favorite haunt of white herons, which nest in the surrounding lagoon, as well as seasonal blooms of white water lilies.
Hector Apodaca, a guide at the village's museum, argues that local fishing holes have the same names as Aztec places like Toluca.
Apodaca says that Cora Indians, who were among the last indigenous groups to be subdued by the Spanish and speak a version of Nahuatl, still come to the island every year to make offerings.
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Well now, doesn't *this* put a small crimp in La Raza's claim to the entirety of the US Southwest, as "Aztlan"...
the infowarrior
So basically the so called “Native Mexicans” weren’t native but invading conquerors who in turn were conquered by the Spaniards from Europe?
The more important point is the admission by the Reconquistas that they think "Aztlan" is a state of mind that happens to be wherever a Mexican, er, Aztec is.
OK. I take them at their word. That means they are nationalist group occupying the U.S. if they happen to be here.
And they are here in national numbers: 45 million or so.
Maybe a lot of them don't take the America-is-Aztlan myth literally, but who cares? The fact is that again, they consider themselves part of an ancient mythical nation and they are on our dirt in massive numbers.
That means they don't belong here, because they are then colonizers!
Sorry folks, the United States are too important to hand over to the descendants of a non-descript aboriginal tribe engaging in a common hallucination.
I would have guessed Boyle Heights.
Never heard of this place. It says it’s a man-made island completely surrounded by mainland Mexico.
Who *made* the island?
...car on a bridge leading through the mangrove swamps, leading to Mexcaltitán.
Everybody knows that is was the Vikings who founded this civilization. You can find reference in the Icelandic Sagas, but I’m too lazy to dig them up : )
Google ‘Tenochtitlan’ and ‘Xochimilco’ and you can see who and how they made it. The resemblance in that photo is truly amazing.
Since it’s man-made, I guess some men did. /rimshot
But seriously... :’) The practice of building on shallow bodies of water is found all over the world, particularly in regions which have standing water. Obviously it works better where there’s no ice to worry about, and not in deserts.
The advantages to this idea were defense of the town, firefighting (you’d think — wasn’t foolproof though), availability of food (cranberries in some UK sites, I think that was discussed on that “Lincolnshire Fens” canals topic; fish), availability of sort of clean water. If I had to make a wild guess, in ancient societies most of a body’s water needs had to be satisfied from fruits and other foods, as well as beer and wine (which came along later), otherwise there wouldn’t be any descendants. :’)
The Vikings?!?
Well, anyway, on that note, and regarding something 10K miles from this island:
Ancient Celtic / Scottish Viking sites in New Zealand!(?)
The Little Doctors & Martin Doutre? | October 2003
Posted on 04/11/2006 9:19:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1613129/posts
Humans May Have Come To New Zealand Later Than Thought
CBS News | 6-3-2008
Posted on 06/03/2008 3:50:05 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2025522/posts
-other stuff-
Vikings In South America?
Science Frontiers | Science Frontiers #62, Mar-Apr 1989 | William R. Corliss
Posted on 09/15/2006 2:11:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1702307/posts
Mysterious Giant Human Remains Found In Fiji
Times Of India | 7-14-2002
Posted on 07/14/2002 1:19:44 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/716073/posts
Captain Cook Is Scuppered By Book
The Telegraph (UK) | 3-20-2007 | Nick Squires
Posted on 03/20/2007 8:28:36 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1804045/posts
Book lays out how Portuguese found Australia
MSNBC | March 21, 2007 | Michael Perry
Posted on 03/21/2007 5:11:29 PM PDT by xcamel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1804647/posts
:’) IMHO, the most probable idea is, the two places look alike, and the migration of Nahautl speakers (Navaho is in the family, if memory serves) wound up in a lot of places. According to the legend, the ancestors of the Aztecs had to flee the island due to some problem (a disaster), and the generations of wandering were in a darkened world, (again, if memory serves), making the leap between Aztlan and Atlantis almost plausible — but due to the wide disparity of millennia between the two, not remotely plausible.
At least two earlier big-shot civs in Mexico — Teotihuacan, and the Toltecs (probable capital was Tula, ancient Tollan) came and went in that order; in Bernal Diaz, there’s a description of a battle fought by the Spaniards as they fled the Aztec capital the first time. It was fought in one of these two sites I think, and by that time the Aztecs had no tradition of the origin of the buildings, attributing it to gods. It was one of those amazing escape moments, worth reading about. :’)
Anyway, the upshot is, earlier civs were completely not in their traditions, which IMV does a few things, A) mitigates against the reliability of a so-called oral tradition, and B) mitigates in favor of an oral tradition in the case of the Aztec origin myth. See, I make my own fun...
Fence. Expanded INS.
“See, I make my own fun...” Me too, comes from spending lots of time alone, I guess.
Nahuatl is related to Hopi. Both are Uto-Aztecan languages.
Thanks!
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