Is there any reason NOT to attack Russia, Cuba, North Korea and Iran?

09/01/2008 | WesternCulture

[WesternCulture]

Even though my country, Sweden, isn't a NATO-member, I'm beginning to feel somewhat annoyed over the behavior the Russian Air Force displays towards my dear neighbor country Norway.

I think the Nordic countries, as well as the whole of "Democratic" Europe will have to fight Russian Expansionism within a generation.

Russia will lose.

Russia stands no chance against a united Western Europe - and if Russia does not wish to realize this, we will make them highly aware of their inferiority in terms of population size, technological know-how, production capacity and overall management skills.

Compared to governments like those of Iran, Cuba and North Korea, the Russian leaders, at least, seem to have convinced their own people of being able rulers.

The respective governments of Iran, Cuba and North Korea, on the other hand, couldn't care less about what the inhabitants of their own nations actually think about their oppressors.

The victims of these regimes could probably not dethrone their leaders all by themselves - but we could!

The Free World is stronger than ever and this we Westerners ought to realize.

Saddam Hussein resisted the doctrine of "Western" freedom and civilization. Today, he is gone and no longer troubles me while I watch the news on TV.

Saddam was not the last tyrant wishing to see us Westerners dead.

Humanity's quest for freedom just won't go away, but it seems like the evil of tyranny will stick around for a while too!

It's not enough to merely commemmorate the accomplishments of men like Churchill and Reagan. We must be prepared to defend what they handed down to us.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

The Iraq experience has soured Americans on any notions of playing world police and liberators for another generation, at least. European reaction helped in the fermentation process.

Russia has about 10,000 nuclear weapons, (about 10,000 more than Sweden); no one is seriously contemplating messing with that either.

[ETL]

This is from March 2008...

New Pentagon Report: China's Growing Military Space Power
By Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
March 6, 2008

GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.

Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.

Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."

To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], go to (U.S. Dept of Defense) :
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf

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Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[i.e. not win it]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."

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Obama Promises to Dismantle Our Armed Forces
by Robert Maginnis
Posted 04/10/2008 ET

(Mr. Maginnis is a retired Army lieutenant colonel, a national security and foreign affairs analyst for radio and television and a senior strategist with the U.S. Army)

YouTube has an undated 52-second clip of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barrack Obama outlining his plans for America’s national defense. Obama’s presentation demonstrates either total naivete about important national security programs or he is just pandering for votes among the extreme left.
[Maginnis does an excellent must-read analysis of Obama's suicidal defense proposals-ETL]
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=25942

Note: Here is the *original* youtube video from the Obama camp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE

Human Events, instead, refers to this poor quality copy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

[pennboricua]

before that is even though of Europe will be bowing to Mecca and praising Mohammad

[WesternCulture]

“no one is seriously contemplating messing with that either.”

- It would take Sweden, the leading and most technologically nation of Scandinavia (if not of the world by per capita terms) - a sparsely populated corner of the Europe all the same boasting 125% of Russia’s GDP! - about one mont to become a nuclear power.

Already in the 1950’s Sweden had the ability of producing it’s own nuclear weapons, but we refrained from doing so.

The great thing about nuclear weapons is that they guarantee peace while sparing mankind from the horror of nuclear warfare.

I’m not wishing to disrespect anyone here but nuclear powers have actually been defeated by non-nuclear powers in war throughout history.

There are three such examples; the US (Vietnam), France (Algeria) and the Soviet Union (Afghanistan).

[manx]

I am married to a Russian, I have been to Russia several times and will probably be going back soon. We had my wive's whole family here this summer. They are all very nice people and I love Russia, but knowing them makes me understand this whole thing a lot better. Russia is a nation with a huge inferiority complex. I think it is because they were told for so long that they were a highly advanced super power then the gates were thrown open and they discovered they are only a third world county. Most people there that I know only earn $100 to $200 per month (including doctors) and they would give you the shirt off their back. However, the ones who were lucky enough to get a high paying job for an American or European company in Moscow suddenly think they are kings off the world and constantly have to prove they are rich and have all the latest technology.

I think they really think Blackberry phones and web social networks were all invented by and only used by russians. I got so tired of having them try to show off all their gadgets I ran out and bought an iPhone just to make them eat their hearts out and it seems it worked.

I took them to the Grand Canyon to camp for two nights I think it was killing for them just to see that we have miles and mile of well maintained roads through some of the most remote areas, like the Mojave Desert, and nice camp sights with tables, fire rings, bathrooms. From what I understanding going anywhere by car in Russia when away from Moscow is a pretty rough ride.

Never the less they still had to spend their time looking for something negative to say about America, but I suspect they were completely blown away.

I can't imagine it being difficult to take out their whole army if we wanted to risk a nuclear war, which they would lose also. Sure they have money from oil which makes an elite few in Moscow rich, but it isn't that much more than we produce per year.

So when I hear all of these threats from Russia all I hear is more of this inferiority complex, Russians trying to convince themselves they are still superior to everyone while their parents try to survive on a $100 a month pension threw dark depressing winters.

[MarMema]

I agree. It is not going away. What are we doing? Waiting around for it to get worse?

[Uriah_lost]

It’s like people that don’t pay their bills. They put it out of their minds and distract themselves with petty crap until the water gets cut off and then, suddenly, IT’S A CRISIS!!! and they go running to somebody, anybody to borrow and beg for a bailout....hmm....seen any of that lately?
Are we the only sane ones?

[MarMema]

I don’t know. I keep hoping the powers that be are planning ahead. Russia is on a binge and I don’t see things getting better. I hope and hope that there is a reason they are waiting, because I know that Russia is moving forward bigtime and her leaders are just as delusional as the nutjob in Iran.
Except Russia is much larger and possibly more delusional.

[MarMema]

Or maybe, payback is enroute...

For the first time yesterday, moderate opposition figures in the republic said they believe, in light of their colleague's death, secession from Russia was the only option left for Ingushetia. "We must ask Europe or America to separate us from Russia," said Magomed Khazbiyev, an opposition activist who has led a campaign demanding Mr Zyazivkov's resignation. That call was echoed by another unrecognized group, the People's Parliament of Ingushetia Mekhk-Kkhel.

[DaveTesla]

That video is creepy.

Our enemy's must be dancing in the streets.
Who in their right mind thinks that if America disarms
the world will follow suit?

Sick!

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

No sovereign nation has attacked the soil of a nuclear power, ever in history.

It would take a lot longer than one month for Sweden to become a nuclear power of any kind, years to be a creditable one. (Every country, like Iran, that has gone nuclear, has started off by gaseous diffusion. The process requires tens of thousands of centrifuges to produce a few weapons per year. The U.S. declassified the process in the 1950’s because they did not believe that anyone one would ever take that approach again. India, Pakistan, Israel, Iraq and Iran proved otherwise. How Sweden would go, I do not know.)

Sweden’s decision to refrain from going nuclear was a calculation, like refraining from joining NATO. In the event of a general war in Europe, neither calculation is going to spare Sweden.

Recently disclosed Soviet plans for a limited war in Europe show they assumed that virtually every country in Europe without nuclear weapons, including Sweden and Finland, (as well as Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.) would be the target of numerous nuclear attacks. (I believe Switzerland was spared...)

Great Britain, the Soviet Union and France, of course, were spared.

[WesternCulture]

Russia has never been a great power in terms of economy.

Like pointed out above, the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Norway) constitutes a larger economy than Russia of today, measured in total GDP - despite the fact these countries, all in all, have a combined population of only 25 million compared to the 140 million inhabitants of Russia.

How could Russia possibly defeat Scandinavia, Western Europe not to speak of the combined strength of the NATO in the long run?

Russia refuses to become part of Europe and still believes anything positive could come out of threatening its neighbors.

Speaking on behalf of the Nordic countries, we won’t be fooled - just like the brave nation of Finland knew exactly how to deal with Russian aggression some decades ago during the Winter War.

Before Russia could do Scandinavia any harm, tiny Sweden would wipe out both St. Petersburg and Moscow of existence by well orchestered assaults.

How?

By Excalibur missiles (manufactured by Borors in Karlskoga, Sweden)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-lj5QvZYBo

By stealth subs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khaa3y0i87s

By surperior fighter planes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-rutpyFF3I&feature=related

Population size has noting on technological superiority and production capacity.

“Tiny” Sweden is today one of the world’s largest producers of heavy trucks. Once air superiority is won over Russian soil, we could demonstrate what this means in terms of spewing out tanks.

Undeniably, Sweden has lost some battles against Russia (most notably the battle of Poltava in 1709), but Sweden has managed to limit the expansion of Russia to a much larger degree than Russia - despite having powerful allies - has restricted the development of Sweden.

Today, Russia has no allies at all among other European nations.

Not even Serbia.

[ETL]

That video is creepy. Our enemy's must be dancing in the streets.

Again, there are two videos making the internet rounds. One is the original, the other, a poor quality copy.

Here is the original youtube video from the Obama camp itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE

And here is the poor quality copy which, as of today, 9/1/08, has about 7 times as many hits: 3.6 million vs 500,000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

However, the good thing about the copy, which some people doubt is authentic because of it's grainy texture and title; "IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA WON'T WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION", is that is can't be deleted by the Obama camp. I would suggest copying and saving both. The original Obama camp video is titled: "Obama-Caucus4Priorities".

[redstateconfidential]

Russian soldiers “earn” $3 a month.

[boogerbear]

Russia still has nukes. They might lose in the long run but Sweden and most of Europe wouldn’t be around to know.

[WesternCulture]

“How Sweden would go, I do not know”

- Neither do I, but patriotic chauvinism left aside, I think it’s safe to say Sweden disposes of more nuclear power as awell as technological know-how per capita than any other nation on earth.

We are 9 million and begun developing a nuclear bomb of our own in the 1950’s (that was called off, for better or for worse).

I believe there’s an expression in English for this:

“Pretty cool”.

- What, me worry?

(Alfred E. Neuman)

[jude24]

Maybe its none of our business?

[boogerbear]

Nuclear wars can’t be won. At least not on the scale that would happen if the US and Russia went toe to toe. Maybe, one of these days, if we ever get a hardcore missile defense system going. But it would have to be hardcore, taking out 5000 missiles out of the atmosphere and with few of them going off (even out of the atmo that much release radiation could pose a problem) is a significant task.

This is why proxy war was invented. This is why we absolutely positively will never enter direct conflict with Russia. Both of us know that if the other side starts to lose a conventional war it will go nuclear, and we both know nobody wins a nuclear war, so instead we arm puppet countries to throw at each other, safer that way.

[WesternCulture]

“Nuclear wars can’t be won”

- By all means, an all out nuclear confrontation between the US and Russia would devaste the Earth.

But it won’t happen.

The world is crazy, but it’s not that mad.

However, by various means, the Russian leaders will continue to try and sell the Russian population the notion that Russia continues to decide upon the destiny of Europe.

It does not.

Even my Sweden excercises more influence over the development of

Russia is the laggard latecomer of Europe and anything resembling a corporation like Ericsson, Bofors or Nokia will probably never develop out of their perpetual tradition of domestic disorder and “snafu’s”.