Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 07/31/2008 4:55:55 AM PDT by Apollo 13
Today, the governmental scientific weather institute of Holland (the KNMI) published a report in which it was stated that: 1. the average temperature in Holland rose twice as much as that of the whole world over the past 100 years (1.5 vs. 0.7 degrees Celsius); and moreover, that this marks the first time that this effect can no longer, with whatever scientific method, be ascribed to coincidence; 2. but there is still no valid proof that this increase in average temperature is due to high levels of CO2-emission. I think it's an interesting piece of news on numerous levels, despite the brevity of what I wrote here (I'll see if I can come up with more). Cheers, A13.
Sounds like BS.
So somehow, the temperature in Holland,a coastal flatland bounded by the sea and no natural terrestial boundaries such as mountains, is two degrees warmer than neighboring Germany, or Belgium? Huh????
Sounds like they’re “in Dutch” then.
Perhaps the Dutch have surrendered to and are now secretly collaborating with global warming!
Kinda like taking your temperature with the forehead strips when the better way is ....
So that was Holland. What happened in the rest of the Netherlands?
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that about 2/3 of the Netherlands was under water a hundred years ago and is now fertile tulip growing land these days?
WaPo: “Planet Warms — Women, Minorities and, oh yes... Dutchmen — Hardest Hit.”
Where’s the devastation that came with this temp change?? That’s the BIG part of the story that’s missing.
They smoke a lot of hash there...so more than likely they just have the decimal place in the wrong spot!
You have anything to do with this?
Dutch Oven.
Hehe... nice one!
In earnest, I find the comments so far most sensible. And some are perhaps quite spot on, scientifically.
What struck me in the report is that although the rise in temperature is significant, there is no provable link to carbon emission. Which is, in one sense, counterintuïtive for what passes for popular politics over here, nowadays. I would never advocate dumb wasting of precious energy; but the facts so far certainly invite a bit of sound relativism re: climate change.
Dishonest climatologists.
Yep, that would be a credible cause :)
What intrigues me is what would happen if temperatures would continue to rise worldwide, whilst carbon emissions would be reduced (at great cost). A new theory would have to be constructed, I guess...
Environmental awareness is fine, but it should not become a religion (which it already is for some people). As a biologist I am troubled enough by animal rights activists who actually place the life of a rat above that of a human being. And I won’t even mention that said activists could become a very healthy 30 or so years of age thanks to experiments with lab animals in the first place. Reminds me of the street protests in the ‘80s against nuclear energy by people who were ostentatiously chain-smoking heavy, self-rolled shag tobacco ciggies. They probably weren’t aware that that alone causes more burden of radiation and heavy metallic elements than what a hundred non-smokers undergo in terms of nuclear plant radiation in their whole lifetimes.
Oh, those activists...
LOL.... Absolutely nothing....
If I only had that power I would make 315’er land much warmer in the winter.
I suspect that other European countries would show similar warming. Global surface warming is slower than NH land surface warming primarily due to the heat capacity of the oceans. The SH, dominated by ocean surface, shows a much slower rate of warming because the ocean surface waters are warming more slowly, as the deeper ocean waters absorb some of the heat and because it requires a lot more energy to raise water temperatures a few tenths of a degree than for the same amount of temperature rise over land.
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