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What Nobody is Saying About a National 55 MPH Limit
Self | July 12, 2008 | Self

Posted on 07/12/2008 12:37:30 PM PDT by The Duke

Please pardon this "original material" vanity posting, however all the talk this Saturday morning (and previously) of re-imposing a nationwide 55 MPH speed limit has motivied me to take up the keyboard to make an important point that seems to be being missed in this debate. That point is that imposing such a limit inherently places a value on peoples' time.

Let's do the math. Since both sides have been claiming that this speed limit will result in fuel savings of 2% from traveling at 70 MPH, then let's do the math using those numbers. We'll also use a vehicle that gets 25 miles per gallon, and consider a trip of 100 miles.

If I'm traveling 100 miles at 70 miles per hour, then I'm going to arrive at my destination in 1.43 hours (100/70). If I travel the same distance at 55 MPH then I'm going to get there in 1.82 hours (100/55). The additoinal time to arrive at my destination is 1.82 - 1.43 hours = 24 minutes.

Now, if I'm paying $4/gallon for fuel and getting 25 miles per gallon, then the trip is going to cost me $16 dollars. A two percent savings of that is exactly thirty-two cents.

So, if I'm in favor of reducing the speed limit from 70 MPH to 55 MPH then I'm saying I would be willing to lose right at a third of an hour in exchange for right at a third of a dollar. In other words, my time is worth no more to me than a dollar an hour!

The reality is that this ridiculous 55 MPH speed limit idea isn't about saving fuel or money - it's about asserting control. There are those in our society - mainly those who have gravitated towards politics - who derive their sense of fulfillment by seeing others obey their dictates.

Several years ago when Al (never-met-a-tree-he-didn't-hug) Gore had the floodgates for a river opened just so he could have his picture taken in a canoe, he wasted an amount of water equal to the savings realized by the entire nation's use of low-flow toilets for TWO YEARS. Do you think this clown really cared about the environment? Of course not, the perfumed prince simply got off on the thought that he could force an entire nation to start flushing twice.

The next time you're on the Interstate conduct a little test and slow down to 55, and just get a preview of what the liberal clowns have in store for us all. While you're at it, you might as well bump up the thermostat in your home by a few degrees. Maybe, just maybe, you'll then be motivated to make your own feelings heard by our poltiical "leaders".


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: 55mphspeedlimit; doublenickel; highways; rinos; roads; traffic
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To: Congressman Billybob
Ah! I get it. OK, thanks for clearing that up. John, I must take my hat off to you sometimes for making things clear what we're up against.

You really don't want to stop that, do you? You want your hands on the levers, rather than get rid of them?

141 posted on 07/13/2008 2:50:25 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Enjoy tooling around in Western Carolina at 55. I’ve been there and it’s a good speed. But, you might want to consider somebody other than yourself. 55 means death to the Western states because we will lose the mobility that comes of being able to travel from Phoenix to LA in one day, now that we can’t go by air anymore.


142 posted on 07/13/2008 2:55:55 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: Congressman Billybob
No, I no longer seek to be a Congressman. After this primary, I promised myself, my wife and my children that that was it for running for public office.

John / Billybob


sorry that you won't be running again...
It would've been a pleasure to start a thread to complain about your votes in the house.
(:
143 posted on 07/13/2008 2:59:14 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: meyer
And to add to your excellent point, for those driving long distances, perhaps across country, obeying the 55 mph limit will probably mean an extra day on the road. So now where are the dollar savings? In addition, what are the consequences for long distance trucking if the trucks are also forced to a lower speed?

If fuel is saved at a lower speed for autos, is fuel also saved if planes fly slower? If so, perhaps Congress should also edict a top speed for jet travel. /sarc.
144 posted on 07/13/2008 3:08:07 PM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: firewalk

I would have found no pleasure in reporting his caving in to the dark side on this issue. He would have us paying a carbon tax with carbon rations like the brits in his first term. Damn! Cheated again by a snake-oil salesman.

145 posted on 07/13/2008 3:14:12 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Congress has every right to set conditions on money it gives to the states

I should note that I find that practice to be abhorrent. I view it as just another way the federal government usurps states' rights. Just to be clear, do you approve of this practice, or in your opinion should it be ended?

146 posted on 07/13/2008 3:19:57 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
I call the practice “blackmailing the states with their own money," and I find it abhorrent a FReeper who pretended to an office of power would take it up so gleefully.
147 posted on 07/13/2008 3:23:48 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: Cyber Liberty; Congressman Billybob
I would have found no pleasure in reporting his caving in to the dark side on this issue.
He would have us paying a carbon tax with carbon rations like the brits in his first term.
Damn! Cheated again by a snake-oil salesman.


snake oil salesman?, the Congressman?...
I don't believe that.

disclaimer...what follows might seem like a smartypants remark...
but that would only partially be true...
You should run for congress Cyber Liberty, or better still... run to fill McCain's seat in the Senate (:
148 posted on 07/13/2008 3:50:53 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: The Duke
The next time you're on the Interstate conduct a little test and slow down to 55

I've done this jsut to see if there's any difference in the mileage, and you can see this a lot more easily now with cars that can give you an instant mpg reading. The only time I ever noticed the mileage dropping off was above 80 mph. Otherwise it was nearly the same at 55, 65 or 75.

In NJ another stretch of the Garden State Parkway was recently cut back to a 55mph limit, between miles 100 and 80. Now, if you're familiar with the GSP at all, you know that this area is one that has seen a tremendous amount of growth, plus there is access to central shore areas. IOW, the number of people who travel that part of the road regularly has increased - and so has the potential for revenue!

What's truly ironic, though, are the new signs informing you that you are under helicopter surveillance. Wonder how much it's costing them to keep those choppers in the air?

149 posted on 07/13/2008 3:55:22 PM PDT by dbwz
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To: firewalk

Too many people feeding at the trough...starting with McQueeg. They don’t want to hear from real conservatives, they enjoy their num-nums too much. Meanwhile, McQueeg hasn’t voted on anything in months, and he’s paid.


150 posted on 07/13/2008 4:14:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: firewalk

BTW, I’ve been shocked to read what John’s been saying on this thread about the wonderful nature of the Feds telling us in AZ we need to slow down by 20 MPH!


151 posted on 07/13/2008 4:17:07 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: Cyber Liberty
well they won't make us slow down here...we'll just drive faster

Of course the state will enjoy the ticket revenues
& the new gas tax they're planning...
they could at least wear a mask when they're going to rob us...
152 posted on 07/13/2008 4:41:26 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: NittanyLion
Y’know, from my meager understanding of the
Constitution, the government has no rights; it has duties and responsibilities clearly enumerated in the Constitution. And speed limits is not one of them. (The people - that's you, me, and the next guy - have rights)
153 posted on 07/13/2008 4:52:36 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (If you don't like your middle name, that's your problem.)
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To: ArmyTeach

Point well taken, friend. That was a very poor choice of words on my part.


154 posted on 07/13/2008 5:51:00 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
Of course, Congress seeks to push the states around. And this method of pushing the states around IS constitutional. That does NOT mean I favor this result. I am just explaining what is going on, and why.

Congressman Billybob

First in the series, "American Government: The Owner's Manual"

Latest article, "Smart as a Whip, Dumb as a Hoe Handle"

155 posted on 07/13/2008 7:37:52 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob
That does NOT mean I favor this result.

It's good to know you think the practice of federal govt bribing the states with their own money should be ended. On that, we're in agreement.

156 posted on 07/14/2008 5:34:51 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Responsibility2nd
A lower limit on BAC levels would also mean a lower death an injury rate. But if you've spent any time at all on some of FR's infamous pro-drunk driving threads, you know - without a doubt - that many FReepers are in FAVOR of abolishing all DWI laws.

If someone visibly demonstrates an inability to control his vehicle effectively, and if that person is drunk, prosecute.

What freedom-loving people are against is the state's assertion that it has the right to stop even those who are driving perfectly normally, on the basis that they might be intoxicated. After all, if many people who have a 0.08 BAC are capable of driving normally, that means that driving normally isn't proof that one isn't over the 0.08BAC limit.

157 posted on 07/14/2008 7:05:05 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Gondring
Perhaps one way to illustrate it is using an extreme--imagine if cars were going 550 mph. You'd see few cars on the road with such distances required between each. If you were one of the lucky ones, on the road, your trip would be short...but most people would be sitting in traffic.

If the speed limit on an expressway with a metered entrance were set at 550mph, and if the goal was to keep traffic on the expressway moving at top speed, the allowable rate of entry would indeed have to be slower than if the speed limit were lower. On the other hand, in more practical scenarios, vehicle speeds will be determined by traffic density rather than vice versa. I'm not quite clear how the actual speed of travel on a road would exceed the optimum speed under such a scenario.

158 posted on 07/14/2008 7:10:32 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Straight Vermonter
You would think that would be the case but it is not.

The graph would be rather better if the X axis values were equally spaced.

159 posted on 07/14/2008 7:16:22 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Hot Tabasco
People are naturally going to exceed whatever mandated speed limit...

Maybe the government should post a speed limit of 1.81*10^12 furlongs per fortnight. Easier and cheaper than FTL research I would think.

160 posted on 07/14/2008 7:20:10 PM PDT by supercat
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