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New legal threat to teaching evolution in the US
New Scientist ^ | 7/9/2008 | Amanda Gefter

Posted on 07/11/2008 4:06:06 AM PDT by Soliton

Louisiana is another story. A hub of creationist activism since the early 1980s, it was Louisiana that enacted the Balanced Treatment Act, which required that creationism be taught alongside evolution in schools. In a landmark 1987 case known as Edwards vs Aguillard, the US Supreme Court ruled the law unconstitutional, effectively closing the door on teaching "creation science" in public schools. ID was invented soon afterwards as a way of proffering creationist concepts without specific reference to God.

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TOPICS: Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: crevo; education; evolution
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To: Soliton
My definition is different ~ what you are looking at is the definition for "divination", a totally different practice. Rome actually had an official office for the guy who examined the entrails of sheep, et al, to see what was going to happen.

Today divination is practiced by NASA when NOAA runs its climate models.

I doubt Hansen would care for your classification of his employee as chief GM guru as "magic".

21 posted on 07/11/2008 5:51:26 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Soliton; muawiyah; wintertime
“The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural.”

Sounds like creationism/ID to me.

It appears our schools need much stronger programs in reading comprehension and logic, then. Neither creationist belief nor the Intelligent Design hypothesis has anything to do with controlling or forecasting natural events, effects, or forces. They are, rather, ways of viewing present-day facts in order to deduce past events, just as Darwinism is.

22 posted on 07/11/2008 5:54:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. What's *your* ambient temperature?)
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To: Soliton
Leave science to science class in public schools.

Yes, that's working so well. Our public schools - especially Louisiana's - turn out the best science students in the world.

23 posted on 07/11/2008 5:55:04 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. What's *your* ambient temperature?)
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To: Calusa

Evolution is like a nice, big, palm sized rock.
It may be a fact that it is a rock. It may have certain properties that are beneficial,

but it also has the ability to be used as a weapon, and that’s how it’s been used in the past century.

When communists invaded countries in Europe, they didn’t indoctrinate people with the benefits of communism, they taught evolution.

They did this because the “reasonable/logical” conclusions of evolution are that

human life has no inherent value,
there is no need for a deity and therefore no existance of one,
and you should just submit to the deity-like authority of the State, because there is no higher authority.

Fine, it’s “science”, it’s _A_ way to explain observed similarities in species,

but that’s not WHAT IT’S USED FOR.


24 posted on 07/11/2008 6:02:51 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Tax-chick
Neither creationist belief nor the Intelligent Design hypothesis has anything to do with controlling or forecasting natural events,

ID is creationism and creationism is magic. Creationists claim that God spoke words and created the natural world. That is controlling natural events by invoking the supernatural. Magic by definition.

25 posted on 07/11/2008 6:07:22 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: muawiyah
My definition is different

In debate, you are not allowed your own definitions.

26 posted on 07/11/2008 6:09:46 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: MrB
When communists invaded countries in Europe, they didn’t indoctrinate people with the benefits of communism, they taught evolution.

I'm having a hard time believing the Soviets didn't conduct any political indoctrination classes in their classrooms.

27 posted on 07/11/2008 6:11:09 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Soliton

I wonder if the heliocentric theory followed a similar process toward acceptance?


28 posted on 07/11/2008 6:13:05 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: tacticalogic

OK,

they didn’t FIRST indoctrinate them with the glories of communism,

they had to destroy their concept of individual human worth first,

THEN communism (based on atheism) made more sense.


29 posted on 07/11/2008 6:18:27 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Amelia
I wonder if the heliocentric theory followed a similar process toward acceptance?

Do you think the Pope prays for the sunrise to happen everyday? When he gets sick, he goes to the doctor.

30 posted on 07/11/2008 6:23:38 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton
Actually, I discuss ID briefly when I teach evolution, because someone is bound to ask about it. I explain that many scientists believe in the Creator, but so far ID has a big problem - the lack of a testable hypothesis.

I also mention that anyone who can come up with a testable hypothesis for ID will probably be famous...so far no one argues about that, although it does provoke some thought & discussion....

31 posted on 07/11/2008 6:28:12 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: MrB

Maybe. That doesn’t seem to fit the communist propaganda model. First they tell them they’ve been victimized and subjugated by the evil capitalists who control the resources, and the communists are their liberators.


32 posted on 07/11/2008 6:28:18 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

That’s the model for internal takeover.

I’m referring to the model following a military invasion and takeover.

In America today, we’re getting both tactics thrust on us. If you’ve read the “Communist Goals for America” read into the congressional record in 1963, you’ll see most of what we see happening today -

destruction of the family, traditional values, religion, denegration of morals through pornography and promotion of sex and homosexuality.


33 posted on 07/11/2008 6:36:20 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Amelia

Do you point out that ID was proven to be a deliberate scam to get around the Constitution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-tk7MkHKtI


34 posted on 07/11/2008 6:41:34 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: MrB
Sorry, I'm just not buying the argumetns that purging the theory of evoulution from the classroom is going to correct every evil in the world, and render all of our enemies powerless.

There seem to be plenty of Judeo-Christian churches and demonitations that can reconcile their faith with evolutionary theory.

35 posted on 07/11/2008 6:43:54 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Soliton
I was joking. You are wasting your time. These guys are true believers and will go to their deaths believing evolution is made up by Satan to get children to fornicate. There is no argument they wont try to kill evolution.
36 posted on 07/11/2008 6:49:55 AM PDT by sickoflibs (We cant win elections (with illegal's votes) by out-welfaring Democrats)
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To: sickoflibs

The armies of ignorance are on the march my friend.


37 posted on 07/11/2008 6:53:13 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: tacticalogic

When does yours open for business?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It seems the demand for choice in education is there.

The waiting lists for vouchers, tax credits, and charter schools are enormous!


38 posted on 07/11/2008 6:53:30 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
The waiting lists for vouchers, tax credits, and charter schools are enormous!

Got a source for that?

39 posted on 07/11/2008 6:54:17 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Soliton

Actually, I don’t, because I don’t spend that much time on it. Occasionally I do point out that people also thought the heliocentric theory was heresy because it seemed to contradict statements in the Bible, but we were able to reconcile it with Judeo-Christian beliefs a long time ago...


40 posted on 07/11/2008 6:57:08 AM PDT by Amelia
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