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1 posted on 06/11/2008 12:00:23 PM PDT by cogitator
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Maybe for tomorrow’s Doomage.


2 posted on 06/11/2008 12:00:57 PM PDT by cogitator
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The sun's surface has been fairly blank for the last couple of years, and that has some worried that it may be entering another Maunder minimum, the sun's 50-year abstinence from sunspots, which some scientists have linked to the Little Ice Age of the 17th century.

That's like worrying that we'll enter another Medieval Warm Period. We may well be entering another minimum, but another Maunder minimum would require time travel, as it was a specific historic event.

3 posted on 06/11/2008 12:02:18 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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"We still don't fully understand how the sun does this," Hathaway noted.

Really? This might be the big truth in the article.

4 posted on 06/11/2008 12:03:53 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto all beers)
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By the way if we actually do enter a new minimum I propose the name “Cogitator Minimum.”


5 posted on 06/11/2008 12:03:59 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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6 posted on 06/11/2008 12:04:04 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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Question: Do they really have records of sun spots going back 400 years???

Are they hard to see (I assume through smoked glass)

And when and why did the first guy look up and say Hey spots???

And though this backs up us “Deniers” they sure do bend over backwards to make certain everyone knows this won’t effect Global Warming...


7 posted on 06/11/2008 12:06:21 PM PDT by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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Prior to the industrial revolution, the sun probably accounted for about 10 to 30 percent of climate variability
The Earth generates it's own heat now. Oh wait no it doesn't, Yes it does...
8 posted on 06/11/2008 12:07:21 PM PDT by allmost
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Something doesn't add up with that article. Can you spot it?

- The sun's energy drives all climate and weather on Earth. 

- But the sun isn't the only thing that influences our climate

- Prior to the industrial revolution, the sun probably 
  accounted for about 10 to 30 percent of climate variability

9 posted on 06/11/2008 12:08:00 PM PDT by avacado
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“Prior to the industrial revolution, the sun probably accounted for about 10 to 30 percent of climate variability, Hathaway told SPACE.com, but now that greenhouse gases have started to build up, “the sun’s contribution is getting smaller and smaller,” he added.”

So for kicks lets say that man accounts for 1% of the variability. Than the sun still accounts for 9 to 29% of climate variability. These people are just to much.


10 posted on 06/11/2008 12:10:16 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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Prior to the industrial revolution, the sun probably accounted for about 10 to 30 percent of climate variability, Hathaway told SPACE.com, but now that greenhouse gases have started to build up, "the sun's contribution is getting smaller and smaller," he added.

This "scientist" is blatantly lieing his ass off at the "Solar Variability, Earth's Climate and the Space Environment" Conference because he has to make sure he isn't exiled from his industry's gravy train.

Absolutely pathetic that "solar science" in the USA has fallen to such depths of swindling duplicity.

13 posted on 06/11/2008 12:12:46 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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Even if there were another Maunder minimum, he says, we would still suffer the effects of greenhouse gases and the Earth's climate would remain warm. "It doesn't overpower them at all," Hathaway said.

Well we'll find out won't we. Hopefully we won't have fallen for the hoax of man made global warming in the meantime.

22 posted on 06/11/2008 12:22:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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The sun's energy drives all climate and weather on Earth.1

Nuh-uhh! It's cow farts and SUV's! Just ask Spotted Algore

24 posted on 06/11/2008 12:23:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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But these ideas aren't yet proven, and anyway, the sun's contribution is small compared to volcanoes, El Nino and greenhouse gases, Hathaway notes

Oh yeas, how silly of us to think the sun's contribution to climate is large. We had better hurry up and enact cap and trade laws before our industry causes thermal runaway.

26 posted on 06/11/2008 12:24:01 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Proud to be one of the 10% not rallying around McCain)
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Even if there were another Maunder minimum, he says, we would still suffer the effects of greenhouse gases and the Earth's climate would remain warm. "It doesn't overpower them at all," Hathaway said.

A ludicrous statement. The temperature drop associated with the Maunder (and even the Daulton) Minimum dwarf the recent small rises attributed to manmade global warming.

35 posted on 06/11/2008 12:37:46 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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LOL Hathaway predictied Cycle 24 to be a WHOPPER! Oppps!

Hathaway and Wilson’s prediction for the amplitude of Solar Cycle 24.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/images/cycle24/hathaway2_med.gif

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/21dec_cycle24.htm


40 posted on 06/11/2008 1:11:51 PM PDT by Bulwinkle
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But the sun isn't the only thing that influences our climate: volcanic eruptions, large-scale phenomena such as El Nino, and, more recently, the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere also affect the global climate.

Well, I suppose two out of three assertions backed by proof isn't bad.

Prior to the industrial revolution, the sun probably accounted for about 10 to 30 percent of climate variability, Hathaway told SPACE.com, but now that greenhouse gases have started to build up, "the sun's contribution is getting smaller and smaller," he added
with a notable lack of quantification.

41 posted on 06/11/2008 1:13:11 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar/Feathers '08)
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Could a new sunspot drought plunge us into another decades-long cold spell? It's not very likely, says David Hathaway a solar physicist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.

Everyone knows that the Earth's climate is controlled by the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, not by the sun. Just ask Algore.


45 posted on 06/11/2008 2:10:53 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy ("What's up with Whitey?" - Michelle Obama)
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"...and anyway, the sun's contribution is small compared to volcanoes, El Nino and greenhouse gases, Hathaway notes.

This clown is either a glib liar, or a moron.

The sun's contribution is at least 99.9999% and the only "greenhouse gas" that exists is water vapor.

46 posted on 06/11/2008 2:14:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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57 posted on 06/11/2008 10:20:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Prior to the industrial revolution, the sun probably accounted for about 10 to 30 percent of climate variability...

This statement cannot be true.

58 posted on 06/11/2008 10:56:17 PM PDT by Rudder
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