Posted on 05/23/2008 6:50:19 PM PDT by FreeInWV
Well, without marriage licenses, etc., the state was never calling them all ‘traditional’ marriages. To do so would be to admit that the pregnancies were legitimate.
My research on this subject points to the same conclusion, GS. Whether or not the parents' minds have been trained to believe this fallacy, it still amounts to child abuse, beginning from birth.
The FLDS is just another sick cult which deprives men, women and children of a normal, free life.
“parents were condoning the abuse of adolescent girls and training all the boys and girls to believe that it was appropriate for adolescent girls to “marry” older men upon the command of the “prophet”. “
Oh, for Pete’s sake! You cannot condemn an entire community because of what you think they might be thinking! If that is true, half of America needs to be locked up because at least half of America is thinking horrible thoughts. You cannot conjure up some scenario of what you think might be going on in the ranch. That’s some kind of weird voo doo or something.
I do not like what they are teaching their children in West Oakland. In fact, what they are teaching their children in West Oakland is worse, far worse, than anything the FLDS could dream up in the wildest dreams. But you can’t go into West Oakland and round up all the children to save them from their culture. This is America.
The Thought Police alive and well. Read the Constitution.
“Whether or not the parents’ minds have been trained to believe this fallacy, it still amounts to child abuse, beginning from birth.”
People are free to be stupid in this country. We have freedom of association, freedom of religion, free speech. Your definition of child abuse is wrong. In your definition, if a parent tells a child some religious fable that you disagree with, that parent is a child abuser. Come on.
“The FLDS is just another sick cult which deprives men, women and children of a normal, free life. “
I’m afraid your definition of a cult is the same definition as Janet Reno’s.
In my travels around the Southwest, especially Utah and Arizona, I saw a LOT of polygamy even among the regular LDS folk. I know little of Mormon doctrine but what I saw is near to what you say. It was not horndogs going after little girls but mainly elderly people in a spiritual bond. I doubt if some of the "marriages" were ever consumated. It was not marriage as I think of it.
I have been to Colorado City and I have crossed paths more than a few times with FLDS members. They are something different. Aside from the welfare implications I see no great harm from a group that purposely shuts themselves away from a dysfunctional world and follows their own lights.
I checked into a Hotel once where the guy ahead of me was FLDS. I could tell he was stiff and uncomfortable and in unfamiliar territory. The guy had a $2,000 suit on but he acted like Johnny Hayseed. His wife was a very pretty lady (the proper age) in a Prairie Dress. Later in the hallway I watched him fumble with the key card, unable to figure out how to use it and unable to get the door open. I lied and explained that they were a new invention and showed him how to use it. A $2000 suit and he had never seen a key card.
I had never given much thought about the idea of polygamy until a "regular LDS" friend of mine mentioned it supportively. She said that God wasn't against it at other times, so it wasn't unholy...it's just that the time wasn't right for it now.
Since then, I've met some non-LDS polygamist families, and it seems to work well for them. Also, there are possibilities for other schemes like line marriages (e.g., described by Heinlein in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress).
Well said!
There you go being all reasonable. That'll get you called a child-rapist polygamy supporting monster around here these days.
This 'case' has been a tissue of lies on the part of CPS from the get go.
And the really sad thing is that the people who probably HAVE been committing some particularly heinous crimes will most likely get off scot-free because of CPS and Texas Ranger screwups.
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Set.
Game.
Match.
The state of Texas is gonna have to hock the panhandle to pay for the lawsuits.
Not to mention so many heads are gonna roll, it’ll make a croquet convention look mild by comparison!
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but my java ain’t kicked in yet!!!...
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"The Amish are just another sick cult which......."
"The Menonites are just another sick cult...."
"The Shakers were just another sick cult..."
"The Snake Handling Baptists are just...."
The Branch Davidians were just ...."
"The Jews are just......"
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Jehovah’s Witness are a cult. Scientology too. Seven Day Adventist are a little strange. Definitely Muslims. Hindus too. Some, if not all Souther Baptist are whacked. Those Hari Krishna orange robes are a fashion disaster, so their kids have to be protected. And Mormons, well their beliefs are over the top. Catholics are definably a cult. And I’m sure we can all agree on what to do with the Buddhist kids. Evangelicals sometimes speak in tongues, and handle snakes.
Nor do I. But because this wasn't handled according the the required legal norms from the get-go, the entire case is in serious jeapordy of being thrown out entirely.
We now see nearly daily that CPS is forced to admit yet another lie on their part. Allegations they made that some person was 14 years old when she turns out to be 27 and had presented valid State ID from the get go is just the most recent one.
A good defense attorney, and the FLDS will be able to afford those by the gross, will have this thing tossed so fast it'll make the State of Texas' collective head spin.
And once the Civil suits start, it's Katy bar the door.
This is going to cost Texas tens of millions of dollars before it's over.
Someone said "they won't sue, it'll open them to Discovery." That's a crock. All the FLDS has to do is show that two or more CPS or Rangers discussed one thing, just one thing that deprived these FLDS people of their Civil rights. That's it.
The rest is irrelevant. Any competent Civil Rights attorney will have that line of questioning shut down before it begins.
The only issue in the inevitable Civil Rights trial will be "did the State of Texas violate the Constitutional Rights of any FLDS member during this affair."
Sadly, the answer to that question is "yes." Then it's game over, and "the Jury will retire now to consider damages."
CPS will be very lucky if some of what laughingly passes for their management doesn't find themselves in prison over this.
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“Saundra my dear, you’re attempting to reason with a lynch mob.”
Oh, yeah, I forgot. Ha! Thanks for the reminder. They have lost sight of the Constitution in their zeal to stomp out some kind of injustice . . . and I fear they think they are doing God a favor.
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