Posted on 04/16/2008 2:50:20 AM PDT by Swordmaker
As a support person for both systems and some other things, my only beef with the Macs is the users. They really don’t know how to *do* anything when it is not as expected. They don’t know how to troubleshoot and just throw their hands up. I had one tell me it was just a tool. Fine, but don’t pretend it is a crisis when you don’t even try.
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I DON’T WANT to troubleshoot a computer, I’ve got an imac and a macbook now and curse a lot less now. I also do not want to ever learn to fix my car.
Why in the world does microsoft windows send you out to the mean streets of the internet with nothing but a rusty pocket knife to protect you against an advancing army of trojan horses, viruses, malware, etc., ad infinitum??? And why do I have to be the one to pay/figure out my defense strategy?
It’s insulting/bordenline disdainful to the consumer, OK gladiator here’s your wooden stick go fight those lions.
Doesn’t microsoft realize this is their biggest disadvantage against apple and why they’ve lost me forever as a cusomer. The OS SHOULD protect you for FREE or it’s worthless.
I saw that the other night... hmm... I think I bought that issue... PM didn’t punch it up much on the cover.
It’s very possible that you may be the only one, even here on FR, where the bashing of Macs, Apple, and people who use Apple products is considered okay.
FYI: since your post began with the statement that Mac users think we’re god’s gift to humanity, and equating us with Obama supporters, you are a bigot.
You won’t even have to call tech support to get the answer to that one:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:swordmaker/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change
If mechanics had to hear the kind of stuff computer support people hear they’d bitch. There’s a lot of assumed helplessness in computer users, a lot of people that sit down in front of a computer and decide they don’t know how it works and they don’t want to so support should tell them what to do. Nobody ever calls up their mechanic to find out how they adjust their seat, people do call support to find out how to change their screen saver.
We used to have a joke in the business that if your VCR is blinking 12:00 and there hasn’t been a power outage you have no business sitting in front a computer. Then they got rid of clocks on VCRs, tells you something about the masses and their relationship with “high” tech.
They act as if they are God’s gift to humanity.
Not most of them, but plenty who do turn up on these threads. It's profoundly silly, actually. I was just at a conference on the Microsoft campus in Redmond and there were Macs all over the place. I will go out on a limb (and probably offend somebody here) and state that the more passionate an evangelist about the matter, the less he or she actually knows about it, and that goes for both sides.
And if you had done what MS recommends then the OS would have protected you. Don’t run as admin, use the free firewall that comes with the OS, get automatic updates and Windows boxes can be quite secure. Don’t do those things and no OS will protect you.
Sounds like your costly AV and firewall weren’t worth the money and your kids were hanging out in the dark corners of the internet and were running as admin. AVG and other free packages are really the best of breed when it comes to AV and firewall. I run free stuff and scan my computer a couple times a year just out of habit (when it’s on and I’m not doing anything with it) and rarely find anything of significance.
I have a really nice PC running vista, Vista SUCKS! Vista would turn me into a Mac user but for Apache Software. I run lots of Apache Software apps.
I had XP and did those things and more and it only took one misstep somewhere for the freeze, crash, restart process to begin. Not to mention the endless alerts of all the times I had been “protected”, hours of scans, defrags, etc, it never ended. I have none of these annoyances with apple.
If I wanted to be computer savvy, I would, I have no interest. I want to be able to use the applications of the computer, not understand the inner workings, etc. I understand these things are very easy for a lot of experienced PC people, but not for ME.
It is very easy for ME to shoot in the 70’s from the back tees of any golf course in the world, I don’t expect that from everyone I play with though.
Sounds like a bad install or bad drivers. I’ve had multiple XP machines running since the OS came out and never gone through a freeze, crash restart.
If you don’t want to be computer savvy then you shouldn’t buy one. If you got in your car turned off the airbag and didn’t put on the seatbelt would you blame the manufacturer when “one misstep” put your head through the windshield. There are smart ways and not smart ways to use ANY tool. Nobody is suggesting you need to know the inner workings, but you should at least read the message that comes up immediately after an install that tells you running as admin is dangerous and not to do it.
It’s not like they hid this information, if you set yourself up as admin it told you that was a bad idea, if you turned off automatic updates it told you that was a bad idea, if you chose not to run the protection suite that comes with the OS it told you that was a bad idea. If you chose to ignore ALL those warning, then why is that MS’s fault? Nobody is expecting you to shoot in the 70s from the back tees, you’re just being expected not to blame the caddy when you ignored his club recommendation and the shot went where you didn’t want.
I think that's all available for OS X. The http server definitely is, as that's included in OS X Server. Or is there another Apache I don't know of?
“It’s not like they hid this information, if you set yourself up as admin it told you that was a bad idea”
Really? Installed XP Home or Pro lately?
First it makes you set up the Administrator account password.
Then it creates your accounts for you.
And hey, look, by *default*, they’re set to admin. How about that?
Yeah, just a couple of weeks ago, and no by default it isn’t admin, in fact before you setup that account you’re told you shouldn’t make them admin.
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