Posted on 02/01/2008 7:45:31 PM PST by Bruce 22-250
Don’t worry, I’ve seen you here for a loooong time and you’re not wrong at all. Perhaps about the coyotes in NY or something but not about the wolves themselves, in general, that I could see.
I understood EXACTLY what you were saying from the very outset.
I just find it humorous that you of all people are some ignorant liberal!
Now THAT made me chuckle...I need some shut-eye now!
As I said earlier I’d love to have Ted Nugent on here tonight! He’d kill one in a heartbeat but to say they’re worthless or useless?
Nah, not the NOOGE!
I’ve been interested in wolves for a long time. I’ve got a little collection of them...red wolves, grey wolves...studied them from afar sorta speak. They’re not evil, they’re not useless, or half a dozen other negative things I’ve heard on here. It sounds like they’re out of control in your area. Which is not THEIR fault. But like I said I’d pull a trigger! I’m not so endeared that I can’t see how a population boom isn’t harmful to other creatures.
I seriously think Ted Nugent would make the argument that killing them off in a rational reasoned manner will actually do more to SAVE them than anything else. People resent them and that might lead to their extinction quicker than anything (as evidenced here tonight alone would indicate!)
PETA’s probably doing more harm to them than they are good, like destructive libs usually are good for!
But yeah, do-gooders that think they know everything there is to know that ram them down people’s throats is insane.
But just because people defend wolves doesn’t make them PETA loons either!
And G8, I’ve seen around here for a long time and for anyone to assert G8’s a liberal...that’s absolutely hilarious!
There are five times as many wolves in and around Yellowstone than they claimed would be the peak numbers when the reintroduced them into the area.
You are correct when you state they kill for food. It just a few years there will be no elk left in Yellowstone.
It used to be that in a herd of 100 elk, there would be 90 calfs, and 60 or more yearlings. Now there will be a few yearlings, but almost no calfs. The wolves and grizzlies are eating them.
Only adults remain in any numbers. Even the adults are down by over 30%. There aren't 10% as many hunters who are there in the fall. (The money for maintaining herds comes from hunting licenses.)
I think the whole reason wolves were reintroduced is to stop hunting. The Federal Fish and Wildlife service is clear full of wolf lovers, so they chase the elk away from hunters.
I live just southeast of Teton Park, so I am familiar with what is happening.
I understand predators very well and I also have been hunting for 40 years. I know for a fact you could open a hunting season on them today and there well still be wolves. Like all animals once they learn that man is hunting them they learn to become scarce.
Predators normally when hunted will only move at night. Even if a liberal 4 month hunting and trapping season was open you could not hurt the population. The Federal studies say you can take out 50% each year and the following fall you will have the same numbers back. But it help the wolves too because it opens up the terroritory keeps them from catching diseases etc. But it also help the prey species by giving them a break from constants attack and allows them to recover. It is overall management goal. The big problem with wolves is there huge hunting range. Not many places in the US that has room for them. We should not be putting ranchers out of business. That is happening for a fact. The whole eco-tourist pipedreams never happens and rural towns suffer from lost of the true eco tourist the hunters. The rural towns also suffer as the ranchers are run out of business. What I am talking about is the true price rural America is paying for the wolves.
No, but the youtube video you posted seemed to imply it. Whatever happened to the real cowboys and shepherds that used to protect their herds even if it meant sleeping out there with them?
WE have way more wolves than we need in Alaska but everyone is glad they are here; just as long as they don’t make the moose go extinct which usually happens. When you start seeing packs of 20-30 along the riverbank; it’s time to exterminate them, let the moose come back up and then let wolves run them down again. No such thing as a balance of nature because we are what’s outta balance. Without active wolf control & game management; ungulates stagnate to 10% of what the land can support and everything goes hungry, including the local people.
Ariel control is good but bounties that encourage trappers much more successful. Hanging outta a cub with a 12 guage when its minus 40 is not all that much fun; takes alot of skill & dumb wolves that don’t hide in the trees.
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Read all my post. Especially the one above yours.
The ranchers for a long time were not even allow to harrass the wolves that were killing the livestock. The goal of the wolves is to put ranchers out of work and close down hunting. I know one rancher that stay with his herd for months living in a wall tent. Constantly patroling but the wolves still put him out of business because he was not allow to shoot or trap the problem wolves. So what is your solution keep allowing hard working ranchers to go under. Have you ever worked a ranch?
Not being an animal expert but having had several pets (lol), I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that wolves would attack and kill just about anything they came across. Most dogs will defend their fenced in backyard from such dangers as birds, squirrels, mice and frogs...killing them if they can catch them.
Is that sport (as humans define it) or their instinctive behavior? I believe that the video wanted to portray the wolves in a certain way and I think they were pretty successful at it. Personally, I don't think the wolves should be decimated any more than I think they should be completely protected. Farmers should definitely be allowed to protect their herds but maybe they should get something a little tougher than the barbed wire fence I saw in the pictures. Wolfhounds...for instance. LOL
Excellent post
Clearly their is a population imbalance in their area but I wish the video makers has addressed the facts instead of going the PETA route...trying to play on people's emotions.
Is that sport (as humans define it) or their instinctive behavior?
After I what Jmack wrote tonight I believe it some type of instinctive response. But they also teach their young to hunt that well result in extra animals killed not for food.
I read up on wolf hounds in the book Wolves in Russia if you really want to learn more about wolves a great book. Even the wolfhounds need a man as a back up or more wolfhounds then wolves.
The whole problems is people are not allow to protect their livestock cows, horses, dogs, chickens, turkeys, duck and geese. That is all everyone want stop the games the wolf is doing great now let the people control them.
The ranch where those pictures were taken is close to going under. What is the guy suppose to do?
I don’t believe wolves are inherently evil they do what large predators do for a living Kill. It come down to a simple thing allow people to protect their property. The Ranch in the video has been waiting 10 years. It is late and I am calling it night good talking with you all.
LOL
They should read one of those biology books on orchids. They would never get through it.
fix your head - some moose, plenty of black bear, foxes all over (grey and silver), more crows than chickadees, and a deer harvest of about 450,000 each year, not to mention the ones we are constantly playing bumper cars with
You said all of that very well. Couldn’t agree more.
Here’s my thought: You choose where you live and do business. You move into wolf territory to raise cattle, then you need to allow for some lost cattle. If you don’t like it, go ranch somewhere else.
You go ranch somewhere else, but i’ll stay where my families been for a couple of hundred years now. Allot of these ranch's have been passed down from generation to generation. You don’t just go somewhere else.
Now it’s time to throw in my 2cents. First of i don’t care if the wolves go completely extinct. Man is the dominate predator on this earth now and wolves will always take a back seat to the needs of man in my book. We don’t need them to control Moose, deer or elk populations. We can do that just fine without them. Just increase the number of tags for game animals who have over populated and hunters will be more than happy to fill those tags. Where my place is ( West TX ) coyotes are the main problem, i’ll lose 2-3 young calves a year, not counting the damage done to my deer and turkeys, which i also depend on as a source of income through my guided hunts. Not only do i kill every coyote i can, my pumpers as well as my hunters have standing orders to do the same. If people feel the need to save wolves, thats fine, just do it on your own property and keep them off mine.
Don’t let such idiotic comments from such crime infested hellholes bother you.
How about 100’s of Fox Terriers? LOL
Sounds like you need more wolves to protect your cars from deer! LOL
Interesting, do you feel the same way about tigers, lions, sharks, bears, cougars, cheetahs...?
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