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Any help would be appreciated.
1 posted on 01/07/2008 2:26:15 PM PST by Red_Devil 232
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To: Red_Devil 232
Three steps to computer security:

Step 1: Go to http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html, install the simple text file that blocks the majority of ad servers and malicious websites on the web.

Step 2: Download and install Mozilla Firefox from http://www.mozilla.com/firefox. Make sure you also goto http://noscript.net and install the No Script Firefox add-on, which blocks many of the scripts and metalinks that cause malicious software to be installed on your computer.

Step 3: You’re done. I advocate using a web based e-mail system like gmail or yahoo mail to deal with spam e-mails or e-mail borne viruses. Unless you specifically permit it, there’s little manner for someone to break into your system using the above two steps.

If you’re worried about people accessing your computer (hacking it) and seek defenses; odds are you already have it. It’s called your ‘router’ - there’s many websites on the net about how to secure your router, but the vast majority already prevent almost all intrusion into your computer. Your ‘interaction’ with the internet is where you should have the most concern, and Firefox with Noscript, as well as Mike’s Ad Host blocking file, does an incredible job of blocking most of the trash from coming to your door.

2 posted on 01/07/2008 2:34:56 PM PST by kingu (Fred08 - The Constitution is the value I'm voting for. What value are you voting for?)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Spybot was decent 3 or 4 years ago, but is no longer powerful enough, IMO.

For anti-virus, consider AntiVir.

For anti-spyware, I recommend SuperAntiSpyware.

Comodo is a good firewall. It's what I use.

3 posted on 01/07/2008 2:37:34 PM PST by jdm (A Hunter Thompson ticket would be suicide.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Oops, almost forgot:

How To Completely Remove Norton Security Products

4 posted on 01/07/2008 2:40:03 PM PST by jdm (A Hunter Thompson ticket would be suicide.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
As for completely deleting Norton - only way to do that is with a vanilla from CD install of Windows XP; it’s likely already contaminated in your computer manufacturer’s variation of Windows XP. Nothing you can do about that; make sure you run the program update for Norton, it will install the latest de-installer program, which will remove about 90% of the software. But nothing short of re-installing windows from the generic purchased CD will get rid of everything.

There are websites that will walk you through how to delete more of it, how to try to find the cab files on your ‘restore’ disc (or partition), but it’s more trouble than it’s worth.

Finally on AVG, etc. If your computer is being run in such a way that it’s likely to be compromised (mostly from software downloaded and installed from the Internet), no anti-virus solution will ever work 100%. It’s honestly a waste of resources to try to do it. Just don’t download and install software, use Firefox with NoScript, use the host file from Mike’s, and stay away from sites likely to cause problems (adult ‘entertainment’, hacking, illegal file sharing, etc.)

5 posted on 01/07/2008 2:42:14 PM PST by kingu (Fred08 - The Constitution is the value I'm voting for. What value are you voting for?)
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To: Red_Devil 232

AVG is really good. I’ve been using it for years now.


6 posted on 01/07/2008 2:44:38 PM PST by Ancient Drive
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To: Red_Devil 232; ShadowAce

Ping!


8 posted on 01/07/2008 2:46:01 PM PST by CedarDave (The only access Hillary-care will bring is access to a waiting list.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
1. Can I run AVG with a firewall that also includes virus protection?

Probably, but the only way to know for sure is to try it and see if it causes problems. If both AV programs use some kind of realtime file scanning it really slow the system down.

2. How do I completely delete the Norton product?

Good luck. Formatting the hard drive works good. Short of that, use the uninstaller and then delete any Norton folders from the Program Files. This probably won't get every last registry entry, but it'll get rid of Norton.

3. Does anyone have any experience running Comodo? Good? Fair? Bad?

Never tried it.

Other notes. If you're using a 3rd party firewall, make sure your windows firewall is also turned off. Running two firewalls simulatenously usually causes headaches. Also, you may not really need a firewall, depending on your internet connection. If you connect your computer to a router, which is then connected to your cable / dsl modem, then you're already firewalled. Honestly, a router is probably a superior firewall to any software solution you're going to run on your machine.

I would add another thing: be careful what you click on. I don't use a firewall (other than my router) or AV software because both bog down the system. And I don't get my machine junked up. I've got an old machine that I ran on the same installation of XP for four years and it's still speedy (at least for a 4 year old machine, anyway).

Using Firefox isn't a bad idea, although it's not as secure as most would have you believe. There is less spyware written for it than IE, so it is generally safer though.
9 posted on 01/07/2008 2:49:29 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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12 posted on 01/07/2008 3:23:22 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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1. Can I run AVG with a firewall that also includes virus protection?

I would not- doubling up on AV programs usually eats up system resources and causes very slow performance.

2. How do I completely delete the Norton product?

Get the Norton removal tool here:

Norton AV

3. Does anyone have any experience running Comodo? Good? Fair? Bad?

Sorry, never heard of this one. Sounds good, but you get what you pay for. I'd be suspicious there is a hole built into it to for reporting your browsing habits (marketing). If your computer is behind a router with a correctly configured firewall you don't need more than the windows firewall.

13 posted on 01/07/2008 4:09:10 PM PST by Kolb
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To: Red_Devil 232

Are you behind a cable or DSL router with a firewall? Also, why not just the XP firewall?


15 posted on 01/07/2008 4:11:43 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Red_Devil 232
1. Can I run AVG with a firewall that also includes virus protection?

Yes, I have AVG Antivirus and Firewall and it runs great. It's been the best combo I've ever used.

2. How do I completely delete the Norton product?

You have to uninstall the product through the Add/Remove Programs feature in the Control Panel. Make sure you everything! Norton is such a bloated creature that it's counterproductive to what you want to achieve. Also run the MSConfig and ensure there are no start-ups for Norton listed under the Startup Tab.

3. Does anyone have any experience running Comodo? Good? Fair? Bad?

I've heard some folks say it's good, some are indifferent. AVG Antivirus and Firewall will do the trick for you. Go with that and nothing else. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

16 posted on 01/07/2008 4:26:03 PM PST by pctech
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To: Red_Devil 232

First, Comodo firewall 3.0 is awesome. It can be complicated though, you have to write your own rules for certain programs and certain behaviors of certain programs. (I’ve created “custom” port sets for IRC, FTP, P2P, system process defragment utilities like O&O Defrag and perfect disk 8, for example, so far in my use of it) Biggest problem is each FTP server I use requires a seperate rule because each server uses a different default port.

Second, AVG Free, is NOT awesome in default configuration. You have to shut off the daily virus scan, or the thing will destroy your hard drive eventually. Without buying the pay version, that means you have to manually keep to a schedule of initiating full system virus scans. I got around this by using my calendar program in my Thunderbird email software to send me a reminder once a week to do a scan. A Post-it on the monitor could be just as effective.

Third, as others have mentioned, install a free hosts file manager at this point, and save yourself further time (by blocking ads from downloading and rendering), and protect yourself from malicious IP addresses. I personally use HOSTSMAN, http://www.abelhadigital.com/ , though there are a good many free programs to do this.

To delete Norton and it’s random files, first download CCleaner, http://www.ccleaner.com/ and select the option to fully delete all Norton files, CCleaner removes the orphan files from Norton that wouldn’t be removed otherwise. Then use the control panel add/remove programs to fully remove Norton. After that you can use CCleaner again, this time the registry cleaner option, and remove any orphan references to Norton in your registry. ALWAYS make a back up of your registry before using CCleaner registry editor.

That should have you running smoothly.


21 posted on 01/07/2008 5:47:38 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Red_Devil 232
The combination I have used and had good results:

* AVG Anti-Virus
* Windows Firewall
* Windows Defender

They are all free, and they work fine for most applications. If you're reasonably careful about where you surf and what you open in your email, you won't have trouble.

I have probably a dozen home users on this combination, and haven't had one of them reinfected after switching.

Norton is a resource hog of the first magnitude, so I have been steering customers away from it.

If you are already infected, you may need more powerful tools to get cleaned up, but once everything's cleaned up, those three work just fine.

22 posted on 01/07/2008 6:21:23 PM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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Hope you have better luck uninstalling Nortons than I had.
Even after a thorough registry search I had to format the hard drive to get rid of the stragglers.

I didn’t use the programs outlined here by others.
I’ll never,never put Nortons on another machine. Worse than the disease.


23 posted on 01/07/2008 7:41:22 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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Norton was very problematic not too long ago. Unistalling a firewall can be difficult. Good luck.


24 posted on 01/07/2008 8:22:26 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: Red_Devil 232

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25 posted on 01/09/2008 12:41:28 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Hillary Clinton: Cankles, Cackle, and Cuckold.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I removed all my Symantec/Norton software when I just got tired of the slow bloatware. The main tricks to removing it:

1. Disable the product protection feature. There’s a checkbox somewhere in the options, something like, “Turn on protection for Norton products.” UN-CHECK this first before doing anything.

2. Use the Symantec uninstaller from the “Add/Remove Programs” control panel.

3. Also un-install the LiveUpdate program from the “Add/Remove Programs” control panel.

Rebooting before you start and after each step is probably a good idea too.

That’s how I did it. I didn’t have any problems, but suddenly my computer booted up a lot faster. Good luck.


26 posted on 01/09/2008 1:24:44 AM PST by FreePoster (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Red_Devil 232

1. Remove Norton - use the Norton Remover from Symantec
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Uninstallers/Norton-Removal-Tool.shtml

2. AVG with a firewall, no problem.

3. Commodo - excellent choice together AVG. Commodo is the one bidirectional firewall that’s free and easy to use.

Don’t forget to add a good anti-spyware program.
Good luck.


27 posted on 01/09/2008 1:50:31 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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