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Brothers keeping phones to selves during tiger case
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 1/05/08 | Linda Goldston

Posted on 01/05/2008 12:36:55 PM PST by Kid Shelleen

Two San Jose brothers mauled by a tiger at the San Francisco Zoo on Christmas Day have refused to allow police to examine their cell phones for possible text messages or photos believed to be taken the day of a tiger's escape. In a letter sent Friday to the brothers' attorney, celebrity lawyer Mark Geragos, San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera asked that Paul and Kulbir Dhaliwal preserve "this potentially critical evidence."

"The digital content of your clients' cell phones, which we understand are currently in the possession of the police, may help reconstruct what happened at the tiger exhibit and cafe," Herrera wrote.

Geragos did not return a phone call from MediaNews

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: maul; slingshots; tiger; tigerattack; zoo
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To: attiladhun2

If that’s true then it seems proper to charge them as you said.


21 posted on 01/05/2008 1:14:44 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: hellbender

Is it true that they did not have the sling shots? I really can’t imagine them having a liquor bottle with them either if they were running from a tiger. I’m waiting for the whole truth to come out.


22 posted on 01/05/2008 1:17:04 PM PST by RichRepublican (Good fences make good neighbors.)
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To: jiggyboy
I think a reasonably competent District Attorney could make a case for manslaughter, if it could be shown this animal was taunted/ or if there were a failure on the part of the zoo employees(?).

(1) Against the Zoo director if 'reasonable care and standards' weren't met?

(2) Against the lads themselves?

(3) The snack bar employees who denied them shelter?

If there are any witness statements showing these lads were 'taunting' the beast, then there would be the 'probable cause' needed for a warrant to be issued.

The mere fact the lads haven't offered an explanation to the investigators is building block to help reach the level of suspicion needed to have 'probable cause'.

The bottom line is there is a young man who died as a result of ...?

The People of the State, thru their elected DA have an interest to know how this death came about.

(I offer this gingerly as I know there a whole bunch of attorneys on this panel, but that's the way I see it)

23 posted on 01/05/2008 1:17:24 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: jiggyboy
...and BTW what crime do they think happened anyway, etc.

If the boys contributed to the situation, it would be akin to a vehicular manslaughter charge, would it not? Their actions directly resulted in the death of another -- whether voluntary or involuntary.

24 posted on 01/05/2008 1:19:18 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: jwparkerjr
For me it would have to have been “Clinton Wins! Again!”

For me, it would have to be, "Senator Clinton Wins!"

25 posted on 01/05/2008 1:20:11 PM PST by yorkie
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To: jiggyboy
I’d have a beef with a search warrant of the phones too.

If they sue the Zoo, the Zoo can ask for them in discovery. If they don't produce the pictures for the defense, the defense can say they show anything they want to, and the jury will be instructed to take it as fact.

In Civil litigation there is no such thing as the fifth amendment. If they refuse to answer any question, the jury also takes it as fact whatever the defendant claims.

If they erase or destroy the pictures, it is the same as refusing discovery. They will be in a world of hurt.

26 posted on 01/05/2008 1:23:57 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Kid Shelleen

the SF police shot the wrong animal...the tiger should have lived and the police should have fed these scummers to her!!!!

mark geragos (scumbag lawyer to michael jackson) is going to sue on behalf of the other 2 scumbags....

too bad ~ he too, did not meet the escaped tiger!!!!


27 posted on 01/05/2008 1:24:40 PM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: hellbender

Thanx for the update.


28 posted on 01/05/2008 1:26:10 PM PST by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: Sawdring
It doesn’t matter what the brothers did to intimidate any animals. The fact is this: The zoo is negligent because they built a structure that a dangerous animal could escape from.

Wasn't the zoo built in the '40's? And no animal has ever got out of its cage until now?

29 posted on 01/05/2008 1:36:57 PM PST by bubbacluck
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To: Sawdring
It doesn’t matter what the brothers did to intimidate any animals

I don't think "intimidate" is exactly the word you're grasping for but hey--English is hard. Anyway, back before the psychos took over the tort business there used to be a concept called "contributory negligence." Reality is a little more complex than the comic book version created by the John Edwards's of the world.

30 posted on 01/05/2008 1:45:23 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: RichRepublican

I’m waiting for a final, consistent account from the police, or somebody halfway trustworthy. The last I heard was that the vodka bottle was in the car, not on the brothers. I don’t know if the slingshots were also in the car, or never existed at all. Certainly the brothers were bad characters with criminal records. I’m sure they were up to no good, but little is known about possible taunting of the tiger at this time, except that witnesses saw them “roaring” at the beast.


31 posted on 01/05/2008 1:46:46 PM PST by hellbender
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To: hinckley buzzard
The reality as you put it is this: one human is dead and two humans are injured. One cat that got out of its enclosure did it. Zoo keepers kept the cat. Zoo designers designed the enclosure. You keep a deadly animal in an enclosure that isn’t fool proof (fools inside or fools outside the enclosure) and you are negligent for what the deadly animal does when it gets out. This isn’t rocket science or a liberal scheme to steal money from corporations, its about the responsibility the zoo has for keeping deadly animals.
32 posted on 01/05/2008 2:14:07 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: liege

So, how did the animal get out?


33 posted on 01/05/2008 2:15:55 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

The outfit that inspects zoo’s certified the SF Zoo recently. There have been no escapes since opening in the 40’s that I recall. The SF Zoo management would have no reason to believe the tiger cage was unsafe. I just don’t understand how you can say it’s a fact that there was negligence. I’m not denying the tiger escaped, but why now, after all these years?


34 posted on 01/05/2008 2:32:16 PM PST by bubbacluck
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To: attiladhun2

...and felicide.


35 posted on 01/05/2008 2:48:20 PM PST by informavoracious
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To: liege
There have been no escapes since opening in the 40’s

But that was before global warming. All the animals today are more hot and agitated.
36 posted on 01/05/2008 2:54:40 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Aztlan My Azz: La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: hellbender

Last I heard, the slingshots were in the car. This may have been revised though.


37 posted on 01/05/2008 3:02:22 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Cops have said there were never any slingshots at all, anywhere, not on the brothers or the dead boy, not in the car, not even anywhere in the zoo.

(I find it hard to believe they have searched every inch of ground where the guys might have thrown a slingshot away while on the run, or during that missing 20-30 minutes when no one knows where the victims were and the tiger was loose, but if the cops say “no slingshots,” I gotta go with that.)


38 posted on 01/05/2008 3:13:38 PM PST by Rte66
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To: liege

Either someone let the tiger out or it escaped the cage. In the first scenario that would be cause for murder in the second scenario it would be negligence.


39 posted on 01/05/2008 3:29:19 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Perdogg
That is the worst headline I have ever read.

True, kinder garden editor!

Anyway the silly story has been posted already.

40 posted on 01/05/2008 3:31:03 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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