Posted on 11/26/2007 9:14:50 PM PST by damondonion
Yes, please!
Mark
Like I say if I were in charge of any sort of a military procurement thing the idea of civilian firearms getting this far ahead would have to bother me. Probably should have called it Ultimate HUNTING Shotgun, Beretta almost certainly views this as a low end gun.
Ever look at a Saiga-12? Its a man’s semi-auto 12-gauge shotgun. Check them out at Tromix.com and click on Saiga shotguns.
I’m a trombone player myself. I favor the R-870, W-12, I-37 or even Benellis Nova.
Was it Beretta or Benelli [owned by Beretta] that got the contract for the new U.S military shotgun?
Benelli M4, also known as M1014. You can check it out at the link.
http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/m4.tpl
What it really sounds like is having your cake and eating it. In other words, the idea of the M16 was to obtian accuracy by eliminating the weight and motion of the gas piston and have gas push directly on the bolt carrier; that however turns cleaning into a grimy mess and limits the number of shots you could take prior to cleaning. This thing seems to achieve the main goal of the M16 without the side effects.
It looks nice and all..
But if this is the gun I’m thinking of, though, the reason it’s cheap is because the “automatic load adjusting” feature.... doesn’t.
The Saiga-12 feeds off a detachable magazine, is built off an AK action, and has a quick adjust gas system - which is a two position selector, shot or slugs. And it really doesn’t matter because the “shot” position works fine with everything I’ve thrown at it.
Yes but will it be still shooting 93 years from now? My 1914 (FN) Browning A-5 keeps chugging along.
And because of the way Beretta made the gas system, you can forget about any detachable magazine rigs for it, except for convoluted Knoxx Sidewinder-types. Maybe.
Thanks, I'll stick with this type for a "military shotgun":
Note: None of these are pictures of me or mine. :)
Here's my old girl.
I have both the Sweet 16 and the Light 12. Antique humpbacks are still a joy to shoot.
You got that right. Those are real keepers you have there.
My father's boss gave it to him upon the occasion of my sister's birth in 1956.
Browning "Sweet 16".
The middle 50’s Sweets are the most desirable. Best looking, best shooting, best quality. Mine is a ‘55, unfortunately I believe the reciever has been re-blued.
When I sat “cheap” for a Beretta shotgun I mean around a thousand to eleven hundred dollars. The Xtrema is further above any sort of Saiga shotgun than a Maserati Bora is above a mule. The Saiga is a piece of ****.
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Saigas are starting to catch on in skeet circles, and they’re shooting rings around a lot of so-called “superior” weapons.
Oh, by the way, having had a Bora in the family? I’d rather have the mule. It’d be more reliable and need less care.
Besides, you were the one comparing it to military weapons. In a military/combat setting, the Beretta is a joke.
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