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Posted on 10/31/2007 9:38:14 AM PDT by Gatcko

Ok, I'm new here, so I don't know exactly how this works, and I know that I'm probably gonna get in trouble for this (as I know that you're not supposed to post threads like this on your first post) but I need help, and since you guys are the most reliable newssource on the web, I decided to turn to you. Basically, I have a communist *ss of a friend, and I keep telling him that

a) Iraq posed a threat to U.S. Security and harbored WMD.

and

b) There is a link between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, and that the two of 'em co-conspirated to bring down the towers.

He keeps saying that there is no proof. I say that there is proof, but that I just don't know where it is.Guys, I'm a politically confused teen of eighteen, and because of that my friend claims I have no mind of my own. I know that this isn't true, and I want to prove to him such.

So what I'm basically asking is for a collection of newspaper aritcles that give proof that what I assert is true. I'd do it myself, but I don't know where to begin and what to look for.

Thanks in advance. God bless you.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: 911; iraq; newbievanity; osamabinladen; welcometofr; wmd
Also, I'm an avid history student. Can someone explain to me exactly how we came from helping the radicals during the Cold War to the radicals blowing us up? I know that while we gave them weapons, it was a necessity at the time. I mean, we had to team up with Stalin against Hitler, right? So why do they hate us now?

As you can see, I'm just a beginning Republican. I've been uncertain for four years now. The fact that they're currently indoctrinating my sister at The University of Delaware (do a search for it in the search engines and you'll see what I mean) was the last straw for me. If you guys are right about that, surely you're wiser than I am and was and you can help me.

Thanks again. :)

1 posted on 10/31/2007 9:38:15 AM PDT by Gatcko
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To: Gatcko
Here you go:

9/11 Commission
Statement No.15
Overview of the enemy

Bin Ladin also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein’s secular regime. Bin Ladin had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan. The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded Bin Ladin to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994. Bin Ladin is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraqapparently never responded. There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after Bin Ladin had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior Bin Ladin associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States. Whether Bin Ladin and his organization had roles in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and the thwarted Manila plot to blow up a dozen U.S. commercial aircraft in 1995 remains a matter of substantial uncertainty.

9/11 Commission Statement

In in 1998, an Arab intelligence officer, who knows Saddam personally, predicted in Newsweek: "Very soon you will be witnessing large-scale terrorist activity run by the Iraqis." The Arab official said these terror operations would be run under "false flags" --spook-speak for front groups--including bin Laden's organization.

Then there were the predictions by an Iraqi with ties to Iraqi intelligence, Naeem Abd Mulhalhal, in Qusay's own newspaper several weeks before the attacks that stated bin Laden would “demolish the Pentagon after he destroys the White House and ”bin Laden would strike America “on the arm that is already hurting.” (referencing a second IRAQI sponsored attack on the World Trade Center). Another reference to New York was “[bin Laden] will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra everytime he hears his songs.” (e.g., “New York, New York”) which identified New York, New York as a target. Mulhalhal also stated, “The wings of a dove and the bullet are all but one and the same in the heart of a believer." which references an airplane attack.

The Arabic language daily newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabic also cited the cooperation between Iraq, bin Laden and Al December 1998 editorial, which predicted that “President Saddam Hussein, whose country was subjected to a four day air strike, will look for support in taking revenge on the United States and Britain by cooperating with Saudi oppositionist Osama Bin-Laden, whom the United States considers to be the most wanted person in the world.” This info is in the link provided below. How could these people have had foreknowledge without Iraq being involved?

Source for this info

Warning...slow loading .pdf file. This was from a lawsuit filed against Iraq after 9/11...the court ruled against Iraq.

There was also another lawsuit filed by the family of John O’Neill (a former FBI agent who captured Ramzi Yousef after the 1993 WTC bombings) after he died in the WTC on 9/11. His personal files from his years of traveling around the world investigating al-Qaeda are were used as evidence in the lawsuit. The evidence includes documents unearthed in the headquarters of the Mukhabarat (Iraq's intelligence service) and information gleaned from the interrogation of both al-Qaeda and Iraqi prisoners. (Link below). It also quotes Vincent Cannistraro, the former CIA counter-terrorism chief, who stated in October 2000 that Iraq had been wanting to carry out terrorist attacks, and that the Iraqi military had been in contact with Osama bin Laden.

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We know from these IIS documents that beginning in 1992 the former Iraqi regime regarded bin Laden as an Iraqi Intelligence asset. We know from IIS documents that the former Iraqi regime provided safe haven and financial support to an Iraqi who has admitted to mixing the chemicals for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. We know from IIS documents that Saddam Hussein agreed to Osama bin Laden's request to broadcast anti-Saudi propaganda on Iraqi state-run television. We know from IIS documents that a "trusted confidante" of bin Laden stayed for more than two weeks at a posh Baghdad hotel as the guest of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

Abu Nidal, September 11 and Saddam The terrorist network may be closer knit than we think.

Weekly Standard: The Mother of All Connections

List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam:

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Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:

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The AQ connection (excellent):

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Western Nightmare:

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Saddam's link to OBL:

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NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate:

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Document linking them:

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Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it:

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A federal judge rules there are links:

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Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:

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Iraq and Iran contact OBL:

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More evidence:

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Saddam's AQ connection:

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Further connections:

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What a court of law said about the connections:

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Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:

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Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)

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Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.

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Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)

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Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)

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The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)

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Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)

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Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):

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Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):

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Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:

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Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:

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Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:

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Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club

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The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:

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Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999

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The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003

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Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:

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No Question About It, National Review, September 2003

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Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View

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Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:

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Free Republic Thread that mentions some books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:

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The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:

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Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003

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September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:

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Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003

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Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003

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James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35

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A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:

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Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:

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Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03

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CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:

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Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:

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The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again

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Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002

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The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003

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Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01

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Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:

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Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:

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The Missing Link (What the Senate Ingelligence Report Said about Iraq/AQ Connections)

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Credit to Peach for the above info.

Credit to joesbucks for the following links:

Dozens of links here:

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Just a few of those links include:

The Clinton Justice Department's indictment against OBL in federal court which mentions the terrorist's connections to Iraq. November 4, 1998. The federal indictment:

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Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate. The federal indictment against OBL working in concert with Iraq and Iran is mentioned. November 1998. The New York Times

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Saddam reaching out to OBL January 1, 1999. Newsweek

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ABC news reports on the Osama/Saddam connections January 14, 1999. ABC News

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Western Nightmare: Saddam and OBL versus the World. Iraq recruited OBL. February 6, 1999. The Guardian

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Saddam's Link to OBL February 6, 1999. The Guardian

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Saddam offered asylum to bin Laden February 13, 1999. AP

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Video coverage from drzz:

Saddam- Al Qaeda VIDEOS library (MUST SEE)

And kabar submitted these two little gems showing Bin Laden supported Iraq and its struggle against the US and the West.

1996 Fatwa: "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."

1998 Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans

2 posted on 10/31/2007 9:41:46 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Gatcko
On the WMD:

On June 9th [2004], the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council about the export of Iraqi WMD, missile and nuclear components shipped out of Iraq before, during and after the invasion. As reported by MENL news service, UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the Council, "The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," and said inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.

The World Tribune reported on Perricos's briefing. "He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month... The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters ... required for the production of chemical and biological warheads. 'It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for,' Perricos's spokesman, said. 'You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax.'"

Source

Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to the arms programs were shipped to Syria."

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"Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.

Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.

"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.

Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."

In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.

"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.

Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.

In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.

"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said."

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"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).

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"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."

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"Two days before the war, on March 17th, we saw through multiple intelligence channels - both human intelligence and techinical (satellite,eavesdrop) intelligence - large caravans of people and things, including some of the top 55 Iraqis, going to Syria."

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See also: What Charles Duelfer Missed

3 posted on 10/31/2007 9:42:51 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Gatcko
Here's some history for you:

Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols crossed paths (OKC) in the Phillipines. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11) was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

4 posted on 10/31/2007 9:44:13 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter; Gatcko

What he said.


5 posted on 10/31/2007 9:45:04 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: ravingnutter

I think you win the most helpful poster award on FR of all time.

Thanks.


6 posted on 10/31/2007 9:45:42 AM PDT by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: ravingnutter
Gosh no response from Gatcko. No "thanks" or "kiss my a--", nothing. Hmm wouldn't happen to be a troll would he? Oh well.

Hello, I must be going.
I cannot stay,
I came to say
I must be going.
I'm glad I came
but just the same
I must be going.

For my sake you must stay,
for if you go away,
you'll spoil this party
I am throwing.

I'll stay a week or two,
I'll stay the summer through,
but I am telling you,
I must be going.

7 posted on 10/31/2007 9:57:41 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: rineaux

No problem at all, it is actually a compilation of FR research done by myself and many others. I keep the documents in MS Word files so I can just cut and paste them when necessary. Hope it helps, feel free to use them whenever and wherever you need them.


8 posted on 10/31/2007 10:03:41 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Gatcko

link to saddam & al qaeda

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838309/posts

UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1151984/posts

Quotes and Facts on Iraq (Statements they try to forget, but won’t be forgotten)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1698670/posts


9 posted on 10/31/2007 10:08:52 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: ravingnutter

Wow. . .just wow. My question now is why the New York Times was so willing to accept that a bond existed between the two back in the day but denies it now. . .

Is there any way that we can make this information public in some way?


10 posted on 10/31/2007 10:11:46 AM PDT by Gatcko (Who says that I'm not under the protection of God?)
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To: ladtx

FYI, I *did* respond! It’s just that my computer is as slow as molasses today!

Thanks to ravens, kiss my a— to you! ;)


11 posted on 10/31/2007 10:11:47 AM PDT by Gatcko (Who says that I'm not under the protection of God?)
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To: ladtx

ravings, sorry for getting your name wrong.


12 posted on 10/31/2007 10:11:47 AM PDT by Gatcko (Who says that I'm not under the protection of God?)
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To: Gatcko; ravingnutter
gat

I cannot improve upon raving's posts 2 & 3 (wow, well done rn), but I'd also like to remind you; Shortly after we rolled into Iraq, a number (8-10) of fighter jets were found together buried in the desert sands, covered and mothballed for a long sleep, in hopes that they could be recovered later. And if they would bury all those jets for long term it's a pretty good assumption they'd do the same with other weapons.....

13 posted on 10/31/2007 11:30:47 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. <br> "What happens if neutrinos have mass?")
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To: ladtx
Could be this error I have been getting for the last couple of hours:

Proxy Error
The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
The proxy server could not handle the request GET /focus/chat/1918999/reply.
Reason: Error reading from remote server

I finally decided to go to lunch and hoped it cleared up while I was gone, which apparently it has.
14 posted on 10/31/2007 11:34:01 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter; Gatcko

Could have been the errors. This thread and the errors happened at about the same time. Apologies.


15 posted on 10/31/2007 11:42:35 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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