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Questions regarding decockers and safeties

Posted on 10/10/2007 9:13:17 PM PDT by rudy45

Every DA/SA semi that I have shot (SIG P232, P226, P229, P239) has had a decocker but not a safety.

Is that setup true for all DA/SAs? That is, do all DA/SAs have decockers but no safeties? Or are there exceptions? What reason would a manufacturer have for putting a safety on a DA/SA? Wouldn't it be redundant with the safety feature of the long initial trigger pull?

Another question: do all SAO semis have safeties but not decockers, or are there exceptions? Again, if there are, what reason would a manufacturer have for putting a decocker on a SAO semi?

Final question: how correct am I in asserting that, on a semi, safeties and decockers are mutually exclusive? That is, on any semiauto I could expect to see either a safety without a decocker (as in the 1911), or a decocker without a safety (as in SIG SAUER P232), or neither of them (?a DAO semi?). However, I should NEVER expect to see BOTH a decocker AND a safety on the same semi? Is that a true statement?

Thanks.


TOPICS: Hobbies
KEYWORDS: banglist; pistols; semiauto

1 posted on 10/10/2007 9:13:21 PM PDT by rudy45
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To: CougarGA7; Tijeras_Slim; rudy45
Decocker ping.
2 posted on 10/10/2007 9:21:02 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Laugh of the day, thanks :)


3 posted on 10/10/2007 9:29:21 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: rudy45
Thankfully, my only auto pistols are a Browning HP and a 1911 officer's model. I will never have to sprain my brain thinking about such stuff.

-ccm

4 posted on 10/10/2007 9:31:10 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: rudy45
"I don't know what you mean so I'll BS instead" Sarcasm TorpedoTM ARMED. FIRE!!

Just don't shoot yourself in the foot with your .45 when you go off half-cocked, Rudy.

JUST KIDDING!

(...psst, I think he's armed.)

Cheers!

5 posted on 10/10/2007 9:37:21 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: rudy45

Huh? I’ll just quit drinking, and do the dishes!


6 posted on 10/10/2007 9:42:52 PM PDT by Professional
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To: rudy45
Pistols with decockers are somewhat new to me. I've always been happy with the 1911 patterns, and wheelguns. I've recently become enamored with CZ pistols, particularly the P-01 and it uses a decocker. I've also acquired a Ruger P345 which uses a decocker.

Many of these type of pistols come with the option of a safety or a decocker, but I've never seen or heard of one with both. Like you, the notion of both on one weapon makes very little sense to me.

7 posted on 10/10/2007 9:44:28 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: rudy45

I have seen some pistols which had a safety that also served as a decocker. I believe the Walther PPK fit that description.


8 posted on 10/10/2007 10:13:48 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat
The Walther P38 has a combo safety/decocker also. The ones that were made by slave labor in conquered countries were frequently sabotaged so that they would fire when dropping the hammer down with the "safety". :o)


9 posted on 10/10/2007 10:43:35 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: rudy45; Squantos
Taurus PT-945 [DA/SA] has de-cocker and safety on same lever.

Squantos, do you know if theres a mechanical firing pin block when hammer is 'resting' in de-cock position? I assume there is, but we know about ASSumptions...

I think Sig uses differnt levers but has both on the 220 series?

Although I like the feature, I would NEVER trust it, always point safely whenever the hammer drops...

10 posted on 10/10/2007 11:39:03 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: supercat
I have seen some pistols which had a safety that also served as a decocker. I believe the Walther PPK fit that description.

Makarov are the similar but improved.

11 posted on 10/11/2007 12:20:32 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: rudy45
Every semi-auto has a different configuration, mostly by manufacturer.

Decockers are handy because after you decock it is chambered and Double
Action or by pulling back on the hammer it goes into Single Action.


12 posted on 10/11/2007 12:28:32 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: rudy45
The H&K USP Tactical has a decocker/safety on the same lever.

Flip down to decock and up for safe.

13 posted on 10/11/2007 12:57:45 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: rudy45
Get real simple. Shoot a Glock
14 posted on 10/11/2007 3:46:48 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: rudy45

the EAA witness has both. the advantage of both is having the advantage of the choice when carrying. you can carry unchambered, hammer down, or cocked and locked.


15 posted on 10/11/2007 6:02:57 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: Gilbo_3

All decockers block the firing pin , some until the safety / decocking combo lever is off others until the hammer is dropped and then they return in line if the lever is spring loaded and returns to fire position. The latter has a firing pin drop feature at that point to preclude a dropped weapon from firing........until trigger is pulled etc

When the Beretta clones aka taurus lever is in decock position it is blocked.


16 posted on 10/11/2007 6:15:08 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: supercat
The Heckler & Koch USP has a combo Safety and Decocker as well. This pistol is DAO.
17 posted on 10/11/2007 6:33:19 AM PDT by Conserv_but_DisgustedWithRepub
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To: Conserv_but_DisgustedWithRepub

Thanks. If this semi is double action only, why would it need a decocker? When would the hammer ever be cocked, and in fact could it ever be cocked at all?


18 posted on 10/11/2007 7:43:21 AM PDT by rudy45
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To: rudy45
That is, do all DA/SAs have decockers but no safeties? Or are there exceptions? What reason would a manufacturer have for putting a safety on a DA/SA? Wouldn't it be redundant with the safety feature of the long initial trigger pull?

My EAA Witness, and the other CZ-75 clones and derivatives are DA/SA, and have a safety, but no decocker. Seems kind of silly I know, because the only way to fire it DA is to manually drop the hammer, as one could do with a 1911 type SA, with a live round in the chamber. Otherwise, the thing just operates in the SA mode, and must be carried Cocked and locked. However the DA feature would be useful in the situation of a round that fails to light off on the first strike. Just pull the trigger and you get another try, as many as you want. Could be important, but if the second try fails, I'm racking that slide and getting the round out of there. (after a suitable wait of course, but on the range, in extreme circumstances I'll live with the possibility of the round going off after it's out of the weapon)

19 posted on 10/11/2007 4:36:26 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: tiger-one
Get real simple. Shoot a Glock

Sure! Got my 12 gauge right here. PULL !! :)

20 posted on 10/11/2007 4:57:15 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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