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Ancient Boats Surface At Fla. Lake
local6 ^ | October 6, 2007

Posted on 10/06/2007 9:19:42 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

IMMOKALEE, Fla. -- From a distance, the brown object near the bank of Lake Trafford looks like a log, or maybe a big alligator.

Close up, though, it becomes identifiable as a large section of a dugout canoe, possibly more than 1,000 years old.

As lake levels have dropped during the ongoing drought, normally submerged areas have become dry. Ten canoes, long buried in the sand, have been exposed. Click here to find out more!

"They started showing up a couple of months ago, but I wanted to verify what they were," said Ski Olesky, owner of the Lake Trafford Marina. "That's why I didn't say anything. Now, the water is coming back up, and pretty soon, you won't be able to see them."

Archaeologist George Provenzali of Janus Research in Tampa was called in to measure the canoes and take samples for radiocarbon dating to decipher their age and to determine what kind of trees they're from.

The largest canoe fragment was almost 14 feet long; some seem to be cypress, others pine. Radiocarbon dating should be complete within two months, Provenzali said.

"The dates will probably vary, and until we get the data back, we can't say much," Provenzali said. "But the dugouts are very old. Those things are amazing: You take a sample, and it looks like the trees were cut yesterday."

Dead plant material generally breaks down quickly, but the canoes had been buried in anaerobic sediment without oxygen where organisms that cause decomposition can't live.

Dredging activity at the lake and natural wave action have uncovered the canoes.

In the spring and summer of 2000, a drought in north-central Florida lowered water levels in Newnan's Lake east of Gainesville, and archaeologists discovered 87 500- to 5,000-year-old canoes. Florida's oldest canoes, discovered at DeLeon Springs in Volusia County, are 6,000 years old.

"Canoes of any sort are very rare in South Florida," said Bill Marquardt, curator in archaeology at the Florida Museum of Natural History in Gainesville. "Many more are known in the lakes in North Florida. Anytime a water-logged canoe is found in South Florida, it's something we can learn from."

At the time of contact with Europeans in the early 16th century, all of South Florida was dominated by the Calusa Indians, a fishing culture whose population centers were along the coast at such places as Pineland on Pine Island and Mound Key in Estero Bay.

Researchers don't know whom the Trafford canoes belonged to.

"Historically, South Florida was under the control of the Calusa," Marquardt said. "So it may have been other groups subservient to the Calusa. We don't know the tribal names. It might have been the Muspa (from the Marco area) or related Indians from around Lake Okeechobee."

There are no plans to remove the canoes from the lake, Provenzali said.

"If we retrieve them, in a year or two, they'll disintegrate," he said. "We're hoping the rain comes and covers them, and they can be preserved for hundreds or thousands of years."

These aren't the first ancient canoes found at Lake Trafford, said marina mechanic and guide Bubba Blaylock: During a dry spell a few years ago, some canoes were exposed, but then rains raised the lake level and water covered them.

"Over the years, I've heard stories about people's grandfathers who'd say, Hey, there are canoes in Lake Trafford,"' Blaylock said. "Others would say, No way, I've seen the lake low, and there aren't any canoes.'

"But I tell you: I wouldn't cross this lake in a canoe like this, not with all the alligators out there. Maybe the Indians had more influence with their young men, but I would have had to say, No."'


TOPICS: History; Local News
KEYWORDS: boats; florida; godsgravesglyphs; history; immokalee
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To: stainlessbanner; The Spirit Of Allegiance
"Any story with Bubba, gators, and Indian artifacts has got to be good!"


LOL! Absolutely!

Thanks for the post and ping, TSOA!

Good to see you, sb. ;o)

21 posted on 10/06/2007 10:27:56 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

I really having a ballast with all the canoe jokes. All I know is the pointy end goes forward, just like with horses.


22 posted on 10/06/2007 11:31:32 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This post sold by weight, not volume. Content may have settled during shipment.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Do you think they played dice in the canoes? That would be a floating crap game. They probably used a log table as a gaming surface.


23 posted on 10/06/2007 11:41:30 PM PDT by punster
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24 posted on 10/07/2007 12:40:43 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
I think it belonged to the Vikings. Canoe agree?


25 posted on 10/07/2007 12:48:30 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: stainlessbanner

During a dry spell a few years ago, some canoes were exposed, but then rains raised the lake level and water covered them.

"Over the years, I've heard stories about people's grandfathers who'd say, Hey, there are canoes in Lake Trafford,"' Blaylock said.

But, I thought these low water levels were caused by global warming?!

26 posted on 10/07/2007 3:53:41 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: stainlessbanner

10 and 87 old junker canoes just parked in the backyard. Definitely rednecks.


27 posted on 10/07/2007 3:56:02 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; mikrofon; Charles Henrickson
marina mechanic and guide Bubba Blaylock

Canoe top this?

28 posted on 10/07/2007 7:44:19 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Not yolking!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; stainlessbanner; Rennes Templar; LexBaird; Old Sarge; mikrofon; ...
Researchers don't know whom the Trafford canoes belonged to .... <

Floriduh! All they have to do is photograph the registration ... that'll giveém the owner. Then the date sticker will tell them the last year the canoe was legally in service. Now about the matter of the back fees due ... just head over to the nearest Indian Casino and giveém the bill. They can afford it.

29 posted on 10/07/2007 7:44:58 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( Teddy K's 'Immigration Reform Act' of 1965. ¡Grácias, Borracho!)
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To: martin_fierro; mikrofon; Charles Henrickson; LexBaird; Rennes Templar; speedy; Chena
Canoe top this?

Ahab reason to believe Moby I can. I know where the outwhale is!
30 posted on 10/07/2007 8:40:13 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: pissant
"I saw it differently."

To be able to come to that conclusion would require a bit of logic, and a heck of a lot of
31 posted on 10/07/2007 10:06:54 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: stainlessbanner; flaglady47; dighton
How nice!

Now Bill Clinton can take that hot thousand year-old mummy-ette he swooned over for a proper vintage canoe ride down the Potomac river.

Leni

32 posted on 10/07/2007 10:27:06 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Unpretrified wood petrified of getting exposed.


33 posted on 10/07/2007 10:57:39 AM PDT by Milhous (Gn 22:17 your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Researchers don't know whom the Trafford canoes belonged to.

It was probably some splinter group.

34 posted on 10/07/2007 11:49:44 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: Milhous; Kenny Bunk; pissant; Bigh4u2; dighton; martin_fierro; LexBaird; Rennes Templar

Sawdusting for fingerprints, forensic foresters’ findings suggest the Trees Union branch of the Creditor tribe. Each of these units floated a-loan and rolled over annually.

Evidence shows that canoe collateral was typically sawbucks and that beverages consumed by the lenders were typically Starbucks.


35 posted on 10/07/2007 3:21:49 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Good one, I'm rooting for you.
Although it goes against the grain, I'll leaf it at that.
36 posted on 10/07/2007 4:21:02 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: dighton

So, how far is The Ol’ Log Inn?


37 posted on 10/07/2007 5:21:01 PM PDT by wizr (A step in Faith will set you free.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Please, add me...remember, wizrdry.

It’s an Indian name. Means: Sound on prairie.
Made by buffalo.


38 posted on 10/07/2007 5:34:08 PM PDT by wizr (A step in Faith will set you free.)
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To: wizr

Added and thanks for the clarification. Considering all the dust and noise, I was thinking your name was Stan!

Stan Pede.


39 posted on 10/07/2007 6:04:12 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: stainlessbanner

I wonder when it was that the Indians got the hang of making log canoes that would actually float instead of sinking. If we could determine that, it would make dating all these sunken canoes somewhat easier...


40 posted on 10/08/2007 4:48:04 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (You can't seriously tell me you think we need more laws, or that we don't already have too many.)
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